Apr 9, 2014, 10:25 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
AA Ends International Award Free N. America Gateway Stopover
As of April 8, 2014 - no prior notice given.
As of April 8, 2014 - no prior notice given.
● As of 8 April 2014, AA North America to international destination awards no longer offer a voluntary stopover at the N. A. international gateway.
● Stopovers are defined as more than 4 hours for itineraries using an award within/between the U.S./Canada/PR/USVI and more than 24 hours for itineraries using a Mexico, Caribbean or other international award as of 8 Jan 2014. (JonNYC).
● Awards ticketed prior to April 8 can add or change a stopover. Refer the AAgent to the "All Partner Award Guidelines" document which can be found on jetnet at Webref-> jetnet-> aawrcontent-> res-> resstaff-> internal-> AADAP. Giving this to the agent should be enough to find it. This is from the version dated 7/22/2014 with credit to JonNYC:
Tickets issued prior to April 8, 2014, free international stopovers on international awards are allowed at the North American gateway.
●For stopover purposes only, the North American gateway is defined as the passenger's first point of arrival or last point of departure in the U.S./Canada/PR/USVI/Mexico
●Stopovers within/between all other regions require additional awards
●Changes or adding a stopover to this ticket will require a call to Tariff for PQR prior to setting up reissue
●For stopover purposes only, the North American gateway is defined as the passenger's first point of arrival or last point of departure in the U.S./Canada/PR/USVI/Mexico
●Stopovers within/between all other regions require additional awards
●Changes or adding a stopover to this ticket will require a call to Tariff for PQR prior to setting up reissue
Other topics that are related may be followed here:
. . . Wiki: AA Quietly Increases AAnytime Award Mileage Charges [8 Apr 2014]
. . . Oneworld Explorer Awards Eliminated -- Effective Immediately [8 Apr 2014]
. . . Wiki: Free Checked Bag / Baggage Changes as of 8 Apr 2014
. . . Angry about AAdvantage devaluation / vent / what can I do? (April 2014, consolidated)
AA ends North American Gateway Stopover for International Awards [8 Apr 2014]
Jan 20, 2016, 11:48 am
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North American gateway free stopovers ended nearly two years ago (in addition to cabotage issues).
This is not a gateway stopover question because:
1) the OP does not want a stopover in YVR; and
2) even if the OP did want a stopover in YVR, he could not have had one under the rule that was changed in 2014, since that rule only allowed a stopover on awards between North America and another zone.
As to the cabotage issue, I'm not sure that this would be cabotage, since a U.S. carrier (AS) would be transporting the passenger from Canada to the U.S.
But none of this really matters, since AA rules for award travel from one state to another do not permit travel via Canada (or Mexico).
Originally Posted by JDiver
AA newbie here with a rather unique question. I'm trying to fly from JFK to PDX with a connection in YVR (so I can finally give Cathay First a try). Is there a way to book that as one ticket (to save miles!), or would I have to book the JFK-YVR award ticket and the YVR-PDX award ticket separately?
1) the OP does not want a stopover in YVR; and
2) even if the OP did want a stopover in YVR, he could not have had one under the rule that was changed in 2014, since that rule only allowed a stopover on awards between North America and another zone.
As to the cabotage issue, I'm not sure that this would be cabotage, since a U.S. carrier (AS) would be transporting the passenger from Canada to the U.S.
But none of this really matters, since AA rules for award travel from one state to another do not permit travel via Canada (or Mexico).
Jan 20, 2016, 11:56 am
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If you have -- or can quickly get -- some BA Avios, you could get a YVR-PDX award on an AS nonstop for just 4,500 BA Avios. But you'd have to book very soon, as the early February BAEC devaluation would raise the price of this flight to 7,500 Avios.
And since YVR-PDX would be a separate award, you could even stop over in YVR, if desired.
Originally Posted by am13
You never get what you don't ask for! Many thanks for the help, Chris.
And since YVR-PDX would be a separate award, you could even stop over in YVR, if desired.
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Routing - Travel Wholly Within North America
...Travel between two cities in the United States via Canada/Mexico/Caribbean is not allowed on one award, however if multiple awards are claimed they can be issued on one ticket.
...Travel between two cities in the United States via Canada/Mexico/Caribbean is not allowed on one award, however if multiple awards are claimed they can be issued on one ticket.
Mar 19, 2016, 10:16 pm
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Need help booking an international stopover.
So everything I have read tells me that stopovers are only allowed in North American gateway cities. But I remember reading something once before that I can no longer find that said otherwise.
Basically I want to go from LAX-CAI with a stopover in AMM. The flight that I would book is AA2278 RJ264, and RJ505. Which puts me in AMM for 11 hours before the flight to CAI. But I would like to stay there a few days and see Petra. Any way to make this happen guys?
Basically I want to go from LAX-CAI with a stopover in AMM. The flight that I would book is AA2278 RJ264, and RJ505. Which puts me in AMM for 11 hours before the flight to CAI. But I would like to stay there a few days and see Petra. Any way to make this happen guys?
Mar 19, 2016, 10:49 pm
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AAdvantage awards no longer permit stopovers anyway, not even at North American gateways. If you want to interrupt an international journal for more than 24 hours anywhere, you will need to book a second award -- or a cash ticket for the second leg.
If you can get yourself some BA Avios, a one-way award from AMM to CAI on RJ should cost just 4,500 Avios (plus fees/taxes) in Economy. @:-)
Originally Posted by aabrad
It's an award ticket. And no I've just looked through AA.com
If you can get yourself some BA Avios, a one-way award from AMM to CAI on RJ should cost just 4,500 Avios (plus fees/taxes) in Economy. @:-)
Mar 19, 2016, 10:53 pm
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Since the take over and merger of AA by US Airways, all stopovers were eliminated from AAdvantage awards. If you exceed permitted connection times in a city, you must take an additional award redemption for the flights. If you want to stay in AMM before continuing to your ultimate destination, CAI, you will be required to redeem an additional award for the AMM-CAI flight. Same thing if you take RJ from AMM to JFK or ORD and want to break the trip and stay in the arrival city overnight or longer, you would need another ticket to get you to any destination whether you want to redeem it with AAdvantage miles or just purchase one is up to you. The elimination of stopovers is just another way our AAdvantage miles have been devaluated. <redacted>
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Mar 19, 2016, 10:58 pm
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Well that really sucks. Thanks for the information though. Guess I'll just book the flight to Europe avoiding BA and the book a cash ticket for the AMM and CAI legs since I'm doing Rome AMM and CAI on this trip.
Mar 19, 2016, 11:04 pm
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Mar 19, 2016, 11:10 pm
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All AAdvantage awards are offered as one-ways, so you can book a U.S.-Rome award for the outbound, and a Cairo-U.S. award for the return, paying cash (or redeeming additional awards) for the FCO-AMM and the AMM-CAI legs.
If this is for Coach-class travel between October 15 and May 15, and if you book your award before the devaluation goes into effect this Tuesday, it actually costs fewer miles to redeem for U.S.-FCO and FCO-AMM (or the reverse) as two separate awards than it does to redeem for a single U.S.-AMM award!
And definitely look into acquiring some BA Avios (from Chase UR points, Starwood points, or Amex MR points) for the AMM-CAI flight, unless there is a really cheap fare offered on that route.
Originally Posted by aabrad
Well that really sucks. Thanks for the information though. Guess I'll just book the flight to Europe avoiding BA and the book a cash ticket for the AMM and CAI legs since I'm doing Rome AMM and CAI on this trip.
All AAdvantage awards are offered as one-ways, so you can book a U.S.-Rome award for the outbound, and a Cairo-U.S. award for the return, paying cash (or redeeming additional awards) for the FCO-AMM and the AMM-CAI legs.
If this is for Coach-class travel between October 15 and May 15, and if you book your award before the devaluation goes into effect this Tuesday, it actually costs fewer miles to redeem for U.S.-FCO and FCO-AMM (or the reverse) as two separate awards than it does to redeem for a single U.S.-AMM award!
And definitely look into acquiring some BA Avios (from Chase UR points, Starwood points, or Amex MR points) for the AMM-CAI flight, unless there is a really cheap fare offered on that route.
Mar 20, 2016, 1:16 am
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This is not the right thread to go AA management bashing. A proper thread for the discussion of reactions to recent changes does exist, but it is not appropriate to drive other threads into the ditch to make a point about AA leadership.
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Mar 20, 2016, 1:37 am
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...il-2014-a.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...47953849152692
Mar 20, 2016, 3:07 am
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Not exactly. AA awards permitted stopovers at the North American gateway on international redemptions. This stopover was eliminated in the AAdvantage massacre of April '14. AA and US completed the merger financial transaction in December '13.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...il-2014-a.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...47953849152692
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...il-2014-a.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...47953849152692
Mar 20, 2016, 7:12 am
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