Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Jul 28, 2017, 2:47 pm
#1636
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Yeah, I really don't get why they continue to taunt (tempt?) us with 1-2-1 configs and then change up last minute to 2-2-2. Just did DFW-HNL in such an old, tired plane. Since it is daytime flight I planned ahead and took middle seats (couple, D and G) in 6, and middle seats in 6 were what we got. Would have been frosted to have been pinned into window seat with strangers, which is what will happen on the way back if we draw a bad card (plane) since we are in for stacked J seats (one behind the other). Plus totally crummy seats for sleeping.
Jul 28, 2017, 3:25 pm
#1637
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As of today, there are only 6/30 non-CIP 763's left.
N387AM just went to Roswell yesterday
This is why AA does not load 2-2-2 maps anymore... because only 20% of the 763's left are still 2-2-2.
By the end of the year, they will all be gone, leaving only the 24 CIP 1-2-1 763s.
N387AM just went to Roswell yesterday
This is why AA does not load 2-2-2 maps anymore... because only 20% of the 763's left are still 2-2-2.
By the end of the year, they will all be gone, leaving only the 24 CIP 1-2-1 763s.
Last edited by econometrics; Jul 30, 2017 at 8:14 pm Reason: Updated stats
Jul 28, 2017, 3:31 pm
#1638
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Can't wait for the 767 to just be gone entirely. It was a nice plane for midcon/transcon flying, but for intercontinental/long haul the premium configurations just aren't as good as larger aircraft.
Jul 28, 2017, 3:35 pm
#1639
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Though I did see a pic of the new Polaris 763 seats. Hands down the best 767 J product out there from the looks of it.
Jul 28, 2017, 9:19 pm
#1640
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Reminder that four more unmodded 767s will be exiting the fleet by the end of September and the remaining two, along with two modded 767s, will be retired by year's end. If the plan hasn't changed, another six modded 767s will be retired next year. These birds will become rarer and rarer and will likely be found flying either MIA-Latin America or DFW-Hawai'i long term.
Jul 29, 2017, 9:25 am
#1641
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...hedule-27.html
Thanks!
Jul 29, 2017, 12:40 pm
#1642
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I don't mind the CIP 763s for the Latin American runs from MIA (5-8 hour flights) in J. The seat is just as competitive as what DL or UA is offering on their aggressive 763 TATL networks.
Though I did see a pic of the new Polaris 763 seats. Hands down the best 767 J product out there from the looks of it.
Though I did see a pic of the new Polaris 763 seats. Hands down the best 767 J product out there from the looks of it.
Jul 29, 2017, 8:46 pm
#1643
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Am I one of the few people who will miss the 763s once they are gone?
I've been traveling on them extensively and mostly in Y from CDG for the last 6 years, and when MIA-CDG went to a 772 last year, it was just a loss, as I could not find any seat equivalent to the pairs of 2 in the mini-cabin. As long as I keep traveling on them from JFK to CDG, I am happy.
I've been traveling on them extensively and mostly in Y from CDG for the last 6 years, and when MIA-CDG went to a 772 last year, it was just a loss, as I could not find any seat equivalent to the pairs of 2 in the mini-cabin. As long as I keep traveling on them from JFK to CDG, I am happy.
Jul 31, 2017, 10:07 am
#1644
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Am I one of the few people who will miss the 763s once they are gone?
I've been traveling on them extensively and mostly in Y from CDG for the last 6 years, and when MIA-CDG went to a 772 last year, it was just a loss, as I could not find any seat equivalent to the pairs of 2 in the mini-cabin. As long as I keep traveling on them from JFK to CDG, I am happy.
I've been traveling on them extensively and mostly in Y from CDG for the last 6 years, and when MIA-CDG went to a 772 last year, it was just a loss, as I could not find any seat equivalent to the pairs of 2 in the mini-cabin. As long as I keep traveling on them from JFK to CDG, I am happy.
Jul 31, 2017, 3:19 pm
#1645
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It'd be great, if you could post a copy of this 763 Polaris picture in this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...hedule-27.html
Thanks!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...hedule-27.html
Thanks!
Jul 31, 2017, 3:52 pm
#1646
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Jul 31, 2017, 10:38 pm
#1647
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When did UA ever fly 3-class 767s to Hawaii?!?!?!? They did offer 3-class 747s and 777s at some point but not 767s.
Aug 6, 2017, 9:49 am
#1648
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Any way to tell if the flights going to Montevideo Urugary MVD right now from Miami are operated by the new or old birds? They're selling as 1-2-1 , but from what i gathered, the CIP planes are far from a guarantee.
Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 pm
#1649
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Checked the flight history since August 1, and it looks like 3 times old config and 6 times new config. https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/aa989
Aug 8, 2017, 7:38 pm
#1650
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Usually the non-CIP planes are running domestic or DFW-Hawaii routes.