Jan 17, 2014, 9:47 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Thompson Vantage Business Seat
See post #1 for video demo
See post #1 for video demo
AA has carried out a Cabin Improvement Program for all of its 24 remaining 767-323ERs (the non-refitted aircraft have been retired from service. See seat map in post #35. (Rows 2-8, 28 seats J; MCE Rows 12 and 13 in the mini-cabin), and 20 and 21 are still exit rows. The new Business seat is the Thompson Vantage solo seat.
NOTE: Discussion, speculation, routing discussion etc. are in: Renovated 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)
Business cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J
2 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 2
3 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 3
4 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 4
5 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 5
6 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 6
7 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 7
8 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 8
A D G J
Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Foot boxes vary, as consoles do. Window seats are best (even numbered rows) and those farther from aisles or center seats (even row G seats) for more spacious foot room.
Link to SeatGuru AA 767-300 v2 seat chart.
Program details:
- 24 (of the fleet of AAs 58 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program through the end of 2015 [9 Dec. 14 AA statement on social media: fourteen refurbished 767-300's with lie flat seats are already in service, with a further 12 scheduled in 2015] - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage solo business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include
international satellite Wi-Fi(that apparently has been scrapped), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system is being installed - the premium cabin will retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft are being refurbished for just one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to FT thread announcing the (Cabin Improvement Program (CIP) refitted Boeing 767-323ER with further details on conversion state, etc.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
(The 777-223ERs have their own CIP, the first article trialed the first half of 2014; the 772 CIP is eliminating First and go to fully flat Business similar to the 77W / 777323ER.)
AA 767-300 / 763 Full Flat Thompson Vantage Business Seat, Best, etc.
Jan 16, 2014, 9:58 am
#17
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: CUR
Posts: 2,170
Jan 16, 2014, 10:04 am
#18
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,248
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...MCE_V2_new.php
I posted another thread about this. Why the MD80 and 738 start with row 3, the 763 with row 2 and the 752 and 777 with row 1
Jan 16, 2014, 11:02 am
#19
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 12,097
Code:
4g*aa64j3junjfkzrh«
auth- 28 767 secondary acft
1 - jfk 2 - zrh
no smoking flight
dor dor
gal
lav lav
cls cls
a d g j
bhd bhd bhd bhd
2 * * h * h * 2
3 * h * h * h * h 3
4 * . H . H * 4
5 * h * h * h * h 5
6 * * h * h . 6
7 * h * h * h . H 7
8 * h * h * 8
a d g j
4g*aa64y3junjfkzrh«
auth-181 767 secondary acft
1 - jfk 2 - zrh
no smoking flight
a b c e g h j
bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd
p12 .l .l .l .l .l *l *l 12p
p13 *l *lh *lh *l *lh *lh .l 13p
lav
pal
w17 17w
a b c e g h j
bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd bhd
w20x *l *l *l *l *l *l *l x20w
w21x *l *l *p *p *p *l *l x21w
w22 *p *ph *ph *p *ph *ph *p 22w
w23 *p *ph *ph * *ph *ph *p 23w
w24 . . H . H . . H . H . 24w
w25 *p *ph *ph *p *ph *ph *p 25w
w26 *p *ph *ph *p *ph *ph *p 26w
w27 * * h * h * * h * h * 27w
w28 * * h * h * * h * h * 28w
w29 * * h * h * * h * h * 29w
30 * * h * h * * h * h * 30
31 * * h * h * * h * h * 31
32 * * h * h * * h * h * 32
33 * * h * h * * h * h * 33
34 * * h * h * * h * h * 34
35 * * h * h * * h * h * 35
36 * * h * h * * h * h * 36
37 * * h * h * * h * h * 37
38 * * h * h * * h * h * 38
39 . . H * h * * h * h . 39
40 . . H . H . * h . H . 40
41 . . H * h * * h . H . 41
42 * h * * h 42
43 lav * h * * h lav 43
44 dor . . . Dor 44
a b c e g h j
gal gal
avail no smk: * block : / least pref: U bulkhead: Bhd
avail smking: - premium: Q upper deck: J exit row: X
seat taken: . Wing: W paid: P lavatory: Lav galley:gal bed:s
pref access lav: Pal door: Dor screen: Scr closet: Cls
pref access:h bassinet:b legroom:l umnr:m rearface:@
Jan 16, 2014, 11:25 am
#22
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: AA LT Gold
Posts: 3,646
When someone asked here on FT why the current 763s could not have built-in IFE in J, it was said that it was simply not possible due to wiring, etc. Hence, the tablets in J.
My guess is that the new seats on the 763 will be identical to the ones on the 77W. Hopefully the wiring problem is not an issue and they will have built-in IFE (no more cumbersome wires and nowhere to lay the tablet while eating)
My guess is that the new seats on the 763 will be identical to the ones on the 77W. Hopefully the wiring problem is not an issue and they will have built-in IFE (no more cumbersome wires and nowhere to lay the tablet while eating)
Jan 16, 2014, 11:39 am
#23
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 12,097
I would sure hope that the new J seats would have built-in IFE!
Jan 16, 2014, 12:19 pm
#24
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,248
It is most definitely possible - every other half-decent 763 carrier has IFE built in. If I had to guess, it wasn't possible for AA with the amount of investment they spent on the 763 at that time. I get the feeling that they ripped out the cradle F/J seats and slapped these angle flat ones in.
Jan 16, 2014, 12:41 pm
#25
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,384
Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think AA is flying in the right direction with its new products and planes.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
Last edited by bmchris; Jan 16, 2014 at 12:47 pm
Jan 16, 2014, 1:08 pm
#26
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,248
Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think AA is flying in the right direction with its new products and planes.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
During meals, for example, it is much easier to use built in IFE. Also nice to have a large selection of movies/shows to watch - ones that you may not have with you but are interested in.
Jan 16, 2014, 1:12 pm
#27
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Austin
Programs: AA EXP +2MM- LT PLT! HH Diamond
Posts: 6,087
The wow factor of up to date IFE cannot be quantified. It makes a big difference. Even though the rational side of me is happy with my own laptop and IFE, there is something nice about having a good entertainment system.
During meals, for example, it is much easier to use built in IFE. Also nice to have a large selection of movies/shows to watch - ones that you may not have with you but are interested in.
During meals, for example, it is much easier to use built in IFE. Also nice to have a large selection of movies/shows to watch - ones that you may not have with you but are interested in.
Jan 16, 2014, 1:17 pm
#28
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,248
A couple of people I know recently started traveling and were way more impressed by UA than AA, primarily due to the presence of the IFE. They were legitimately confused why I prefer AA. I told them to keep flying and get back to me in a year.
Still, thats what IFE can do.
Jan 16, 2014, 1:32 pm
#29
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: AA LT Gold
Posts: 3,646
Woulda Coulda Shoulda. I think AA is flying in the right direction with its new products and planes.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
I'm not so sure on how imporant leading edge IFE is. Looking forward, I would expect a large percentage of folks bring their own media and devices. What is likely more important is high speed connectivity. So a fast connection with tablet backup may be a better option overall. Sort of like plane BYOD.
Personally, and I am going to be uncool here, I don't have a tablet loaded with movies, I like to travel light - no cords, no excesive prepping (downloading) for the trip, etc -. And BTW, streaming and downloading of movies or entertainment is sometimes difficult even while on the ground, I would not expect an airplane to offer the same speeds as at home.
If on business travel, I will have to have my work laptop which is useless for entertainment (corporate policies, blocking of sites/software, etc). I won't bring an extra device/gadget.
So, if I am flying business, the IFE is VERY important to me.
But that's just me.
Jan 16, 2014, 2:11 pm
#30
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,384
And that's you.
Personally, and I am going to be uncool here, I don't have a tablet loaded with movies, I like to travel light - no cords, no excesive prepping (downloading) for the trip, etc -. And BTW, streaming and downloading of movies or entertainment is sometimes difficult even while on the ground, I would not expect an airplane to offer the same speeds as at home.
Personally, and I am going to be uncool here, I don't have a tablet loaded with movies, I like to travel light - no cords, no excesive prepping (downloading) for the trip, etc -. And BTW, streaming and downloading of movies or entertainment is sometimes difficult even while on the ground, I would not expect an airplane to offer the same speeds as at home.