Jan 17, 2014, 9:47 pm
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763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Thompson Vantage Business Seat
See post #1 for video demo
See post #1 for video demo
AA has carried out a Cabin Improvement Program for all of its 24 remaining 767-323ERs (the non-refitted aircraft have been retired from service. See seat map in post #35. (Rows 2-8, 28 seats J; MCE Rows 12 and 13 in the mini-cabin), and 20 and 21 are still exit rows. The new Business seat is the Thompson Vantage solo seat.
NOTE: Discussion, speculation, routing discussion etc. are in: Renovated 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)
Business cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J
2 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 2
3 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 3
4 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 4
5 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 5
6 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 6
7 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 7
8 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 8
A D G J
Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Foot boxes vary, as consoles do. Window seats are best (even numbered rows) and those farther from aisles or center seats (even row G seats) for more spacious foot room.
Link to SeatGuru AA 767-300 v2 seat chart.
Program details:
- 24 (of the fleet of AAs 58 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program through the end of 2015 [9 Dec. 14 AA statement on social media: fourteen refurbished 767-300's with lie flat seats are already in service, with a further 12 scheduled in 2015] - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage solo business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include
international satellite Wi-Fi(that apparently has been scrapped), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system is being installed - the premium cabin will retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft are being refurbished for just one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to FT thread announcing the (Cabin Improvement Program (CIP) refitted Boeing 767-323ER with further details on conversion state, etc.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
(The 777-223ERs have their own CIP, the first article trialed the first half of 2014; the 772 CIP is eliminating First and go to fully flat Business similar to the 77W / 777323ER.)
AA 767-300 / 763 Full Flat Thompson Vantage Business Seat, Best, etc.
Jan 18, 2014, 10:09 pm
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I think the reason the JAL/DL/OS/etc. seats are rumored is because, to date, it's the only all-aisle, 1-2-1 J product that fits on a 767. So unless AA surprises us, I don't know what else it could be.
It'd be awesome if AA has been working with somebody to launch a new 767 product like we know is going on with the 772.
It'd be awesome if AA has been working with somebody to launch a new 767 product like we know is going on with the 772.
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I agree; although they are supposed to be the same product, right? I think perhaps the tapering of the top of the back of the seat near the headrest may be creating an illusion of it being narrower than the DL product (which, IMHO having flown it, IS rather narrow and coffinlike).
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It should be exactly the same.
Delta's came from Contour (now Zodiac Seats Great Britain) built under license from Thompson Solutions.
Thompson now builds the seat themselves as well and AA's came from there. The design may be a little different from what Contour had been building, but the value of the idea is in the general layout which performs very well for a 767.
Needless to say there is not a lot of desire to put flat seats on the 767, so airlines look for really efficient ways to do it in terms of seat count, economic cost, direct cost, etc. Delta did it because the B767 is a huge proportion of their international fleet, most all of it before the NW acquisition.
The only reason AA did it was that the 767 remains a significant chunk of transatlantic capacity especially on "secondary" routes and they were bound by the agreement with BA and Iberia to have business class be flat by 2015.
Delta's came from Contour (now Zodiac Seats Great Britain) built under license from Thompson Solutions.
Thompson now builds the seat themselves as well and AA's came from there. The design may be a little different from what Contour had been building, but the value of the idea is in the general layout which performs very well for a 767.
Needless to say there is not a lot of desire to put flat seats on the 767, so airlines look for really efficient ways to do it in terms of seat count, economic cost, direct cost, etc. Delta did it because the B767 is a huge proportion of their international fleet, most all of it before the NW acquisition.
The only reason AA did it was that the 767 remains a significant chunk of transatlantic capacity especially on "secondary" routes and they were bound by the agreement with BA and Iberia to have business class be flat by 2015.
Apr 3, 2014, 9:42 am
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I would think it has to be virtually identical, otherwise it becomes something different and probably would not hit the efficiency aspect, plus I doubt Thompson would offer less than contour since it is their idea