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Speculation: New Routes, Hubs, Flights (2017 Onward)
Because there is community interest in having a purely speculative discussion about whether other airports will pop up to become focus cities or hubs, new routes, etc. the following new thread has been amalgamated on this topic.Note:
Going: 9 A330-300, ER190, some older 757-200 and 8 767-300ER (leaving 17), MD-80
Coming: Remainder of 16 Boeing 26 787-8, 22 Boeing 787-9 (began later 2016). A320 family - 100 A321neo, and B737-800 (100 737-MAX8) aircraft.
See Cranky Flier article on 2016 fleet changes, AA-HP-US. Link.
Also see: HELP DESK: General questions about aircraft equipment, fleet, seats, IFE, etc.
Speculation fun time: Will xxx be the next AA focus city / hub? (consolidated)
Obsolete posts from 2015 on have been moved to ARCHIVE: Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - 2015 on
All posts prior to 2015 have been moved here: ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - (2017 on)
Jan 18, 2018, 10:32 am
#796
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: DFW/PHL
Programs: US CP, UA *G; SPG Plat, Hilton Gold; Natl Exec, Hertz PC
Posts: 623
American Airlines Expands Network in 2018 and Introduces Shuttle Service Between Chicago O'Hare and New York Laguardia
This article says PHL-MSN and PHL-SAT would also begin June 7, but it's not listed in the press release.
Beginning June 7
Beginning April 4, business travelers looking for a consistent, convenient and easy commute will have a new Shuttle product to fly them between New York LaGuardia (LGA) and ORD. American’s Shuttle will offer hourly flights between the two business centers, giving customers additional flexibility and choice, as well as unique travel benefits such as dedicated gates, 15 flights per weekday and complimentary beer and wine in Main Cabin.
- Three routes from PHL to Fort Wayne, Indiana (FWA); Oklahoma City (OKC); and Pensacola, Florida (PNS)
- New service from both Charlotte Douglas International Airport (CLT) and DFW to Panama City, Florida (ECP) and South Bend, Indiana (SBN)
- Service from Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Pennsylvania (AVP)
Beginning April 4, business travelers looking for a consistent, convenient and easy commute will have a new Shuttle product to fly them between New York LaGuardia (LGA) and ORD. American’s Shuttle will offer hourly flights between the two business centers, giving customers additional flexibility and choice, as well as unique travel benefits such as dedicated gates, 15 flights per weekday and complimentary beer and wine in Main Cabin.
Last edited by flightrisk; Jan 18, 2018 at 10:38 am
Jan 18, 2018, 2:34 pm
#798
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Near ORD
Programs: UAL 1K, SPG Platinum
Posts: 27
Does anyone know where I might find the schedule for the new SBN routes? The announcement indicates service begins June 7th with booking available 1/22 but I can't find times/schedule anywhere.
Jan 18, 2018, 3:55 pm
#799
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: DFW/PHL
Programs: US CP, UA *G; SPG Plat, Hilton Gold; Natl Exec, Hertz PC
Posts: 623
Flights will depart daily from SBN to DFW at 7:00 a.m. and 2:09 p.m. They will return to SBN daily from DFW at 4:13 p.m. and 9:53 p.m. Flights to CLT will leave SBN daily at 8:30 a.m. and 5:05 p.m. returning to South Bend each day at 1:25 p.m. and 9:40 p.m.
The flights will be operated by American Eagle using CRJ-700 regional jet aircraft with dual-class cabins and 64 seats. Tickets go on sale on Monday, January 22 at www.aa.com.
The flights will be operated by American Eagle using CRJ-700 regional jet aircraft with dual-class cabins and 64 seats. Tickets go on sale on Monday, January 22 at www.aa.com.
Jan 18, 2018, 5:43 pm
#800
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 624
American Airlines Expands Network in 2018 and Introduces Shuttle Service Between Chicago O'Hare and New York Laguardia
This article says PHL-MSN and PHL-SAT would also begin June 7, but it's not listed in the press release.
This article says PHL-MSN and PHL-SAT would also begin June 7, but it's not listed in the press release.
Jan 18, 2018, 6:36 pm
#801
Moderator: American AAdvantage, Travel Safety/Security & Texas, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: AUS / GRK
Programs: AA, HHonors, Hertz
Posts: 13,492
I grew up in that area, and it was always HUGE for US Airways. There's a few other flights, most notably UA AVP-ORD. Not sure if the 2 flights can survive on that route, but evidently AA wants to try.
Jan 18, 2018, 8:48 pm
#803
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Programs: UA 1K 1MMer & LT UC (when flying UA); Hyatt Credit Cardist; HHonors Diamond; Marriott Gold via UA 1K
Posts: 6,956
Does anyone have the schedule/equipment for ORD-AVP? I did some searching but couldn't find anything.
I grew up in that area, and it was always HUGE for US Airways. There's a few other flights, most notably UA AVP-ORD. Not sure if the 2 flights can survive on that route, but evidently AA wants to try.
I grew up in that area, and it was always HUGE for US Airways. There's a few other flights, most notably UA AVP-ORD. Not sure if the 2 flights can survive on that route, but evidently AA wants to try.
AA would be wise to put a mid-morning and/or early afternoon departure on AVP-ORD. If they did that and put a decent aircraft on the route, I would highly consider switching from UA after I hit 1MM on UA in 2019, since I fly to AVP a few times/year.
Jan 18, 2018, 10:40 pm
#804
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: AA 1.6MM EXP; UA GS; SPG LTG,Hilton Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,477
I really, really miss the Mad Dogs (and yes, I know they're gone, why they're gone and that this is the new reality).
Jan 19, 2018, 6:45 am
#805
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PHL
Posts: 2,842
Does anyone have the schedule/equipment for ORD-AVP? I did some searching but couldn't find anything.
I grew up in that area, and it was always HUGE for US Airways. There's a few other flights, most notably UA AVP-ORD. Not sure if the 2 flights can survive on that route, but evidently AA wants to try.
I grew up in that area, and it was always HUGE for US Airways. There's a few other flights, most notably UA AVP-ORD. Not sure if the 2 flights can survive on that route, but evidently AA wants to try.
Feb 3, 2018, 7:40 pm
#806
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: AA Platinum, UA Gold, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 179
Really need year-round international connections in Charlotte. It doesn't make sense that their larger CLT hub requires people to fly to PHL to make a TATL connection. I just end up driving to Raleigh and using a competitor. I'm looking at booking a flight and there really isn't anything reasonable without connecting three to four times or driving two hours. I imagine that is the choice for everyone in the Southeast and over to the Midsouthwest. I could care less if I had a direct flight to PHL or whatever TATL hub they pick, but they need to sort it out and decide which CLT, DFW, and MIA hub they want to keep rather than worrying about how small they can make seats.
I'm still seeing DH8-300 flights from New Bern, NC this year.
I'm still seeing DH8-300 flights from New Bern, NC this year.
Last edited by MOC991; Feb 3, 2018 at 8:17 pm
Feb 4, 2018, 4:17 am
#807
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 167
Really need year-round international connections in Charlotte. It doesn't make sense that their larger CLT hub requires people to fly to PHL to make a TATL connection. I just end up driving to Raleigh and using a competitor. I'm looking at booking a flight and there really isn't anything reasonable without connecting three to four times or driving two hours. I imagine that is the choice for everyone in the Southeast and over to the Midsouthwest. I could care less if I had a direct flight to PHL or whatever TATL hub they pick, but they need to sort it out and decide which CLT, DFW, and MIA hub they want to keep rather than worrying about how small they can make seats.
I'm still seeing DH8-300 flights from New Bern, NC this year.
I'm still seeing DH8-300 flights from New Bern, NC this year.
Feb 4, 2018, 6:21 am
#808
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: AA Platinum, UA Gold, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 179
RDU-JFK/EWR/BOS/CDG-Final Destination in Europe. I'm not interested in Paris beyond connecting if cheaper and definitely not interested in the Queen's taxes and fees. You really missed the mark on that one. At the end of the day, they're reducing TATL at DFW, CLT, MIA, and JFK because they have too many hubs. Charlotte is cheaper and carries more traffic(44,422,022) than PHL(30,155,090) yet all those flights going in to CLT have to make a second connection to TATL outside of the summer. I could care less about the city of Charlotte, but the entire economically growing Southeast is already routing through there along with many Transcon flights versus the rusting slowing Northeast hub that only has a few smaller towns as its niche. The other parts of the Northeast have too many competitors to make PHL a focus. TATL flights are connecting not O/D flights so I'm not sure what your point on that was. I doubt people in PHL are rushing to the airport for their new TATL options. Most are rushing to the Southeast or other countries for lower costs. The only place that O/D matters is NYC and they're cutting flights back there because they can't compete.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.
Last edited by MOC991; Feb 4, 2018 at 6:50 am
Feb 4, 2018, 8:50 am
#809
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 167
RDU-JFK/EWR/BOS/CDG-Final Destination in Europe. I'm not interested in Paris beyond connecting if cheaper and definitely not interested in the Queen's taxes and fees. You really missed the mark on that one. At the end of the day, they're reducing TATL at DFW, CLT, MIA, and JFK because they have too many hubs. Charlotte is cheaper and carries more traffic(44,422,022) than PHL(30,155,090) yet all those flights going in to CLT have to make a second connection to TATL outside of the summer. I could care less about the city of Charlotte, but the entire economically growing Southeast is already routing through there along with many Transcon flights versus the rusting slowing Northeast hub that only has a few smaller towns as its niche. The other parts of the Northeast have too many competitors to make PHL a focus. TATL flights are connecting not O/D flights so I'm not sure what your point on that was. I doubt people in PHL are rushing to the airport for their new TATL options. Most are rushing to the Southeast or other countries for lower costs. The only place that O/D matters is NYC and they're cutting flights back there because they can't compete.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.
Feb 4, 2018, 8:52 am
#810
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
RDU-JFK/EWR/BOS/CDG-Final Destination in Europe. I'm not interested in Paris beyond connecting if cheaper and definitely not interested in the Queen's taxes and fees. You really missed the mark on that one. At the end of the day, they're reducing TATL at DFW, CLT, MIA, and JFK because they have too many hubs. Charlotte is cheaper and carries more traffic(44,422,022) than PHL(30,155,090) yet all those flights going in to CLT have to make a second connection to TATL outside of the summer. I could care less about the city of Charlotte, but the entire economically growing Southeast is already routing through there along with many Transcon flights versus the rusting slowing Northeast hub that only has a few smaller towns as its niche. The other parts of the Northeast have too many competitors to make PHL a focus. TATL flights are connecting not O/D flights so I'm not sure what your point on that was. I doubt people in PHL are rushing to the airport for their new TATL options. Most are rushing to the Southeast or other countries for lower costs. The only place that O/D matters is NYC and they're cutting flights back there because they can't compete.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.
All I'm suggesting is that when people compare their competitors offering TATL flights from their hubs at JFK, ATL, and EWR with the same price or less versus having to go through two hubs, they're going to choose the competitor. At the end of the day, AA can't pick between DFW and CLT so they just end up making both worse. They'd probably lose money if they choose to route more of their Southeast flights through PHL with the distance and much higher costs of the aging decrepit PHL, but I suppose you know best. You can call me a CLT or RDU booster all you want, but the passenger numbers and economic growth in the hub regions is what AA should look at. The numbers speak for themselves unlike in PHL. If they shift everything to PHL/JFK then they need to have at least a daily flight to PHL or JFK from most of the area served by CLT. Giving CLT a few more TATL flights is cheaper and makes a lot more sense based on numbers and not nonsense like DFW-KEF.