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(Link) to “United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty (APD) Charged UK Departing Passengers”
Link to html full APD tax law
APD rates as of 01 Apr 2020:
Band A (0 to 2,000 miles) £13 Reduced, £26 Standard
Band B (anything over 2,000 miles): Reduced £80, Standard £176
Infants and children
“Children below the age of 2 years who are not allocated a separate seat before boarding the aircraft are not chargeable passengers. If a seat is purchased for the infant then APD is chargeable.
From 1 May 2015, children who are under the age of 12 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 12 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.
From 1 March 2016 children who are under the age of 16 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 16 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.”
General notes:
distances calculated between national capitals - e.g. HNL calculated as WAS.
Link to Source: U.K. Excise Notice 550: Air Passenger Duty
APD is due when passengers pay to upgrade any stage of their journey
N.B. Arriving at a UK airport will not incur APD. Connections with less than 24 hours will generally not require APD*; you may have to have the rate desk intervene if you are not on a through ticket. As noted, "band distance" is calculated Capital to Capital.
APD is not charged on flights originating in the Scottish Highlands (INV) or Islands. APD is not payable on direct, Band B, flights departing Northern Ireland.
* Connecting flights exemption (UK APD regulation)
“The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction
there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether Two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.”
AA (c/o JonNYC, post #219):
septix by JonNYCme, on Flickr
Link to html full APD tax law
APD rates as of 01 Apr 2020:
Band A (0 to 2,000 miles) £13 Reduced, £26 Standard
Band B (anything over 2,000 miles): Reduced £80, Standard £176
Infants and children
“Children below the age of 2 years who are not allocated a separate seat before boarding the aircraft are not chargeable passengers. If a seat is purchased for the infant then APD is chargeable.
From 1 May 2015, children who are under the age of 12 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 12 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.
From 1 March 2016 children who are under the age of 16 years on the date of the flight, and in the lowest class of travel, are not chargeable passengers. Children 16 years and over, or travelling in any other class, are chargeable passengers and APD is due.”
General notes:
distances calculated between national capitals - e.g. HNL calculated as WAS.
Link to Source: U.K. Excise Notice 550: Air Passenger Duty
APD is due when passengers pay to upgrade any stage of their journey
N.B. Arriving at a UK airport will not incur APD. Connections with less than 24 hours will generally not require APD*; you may have to have the rate desk intervene if you are not on a through ticket. As noted, "band distance" is calculated Capital to Capital.
APD is not charged on flights originating in the Scottish Highlands (INV) or Islands. APD is not payable on direct, Band B, flights departing Northern Ireland.
* Connecting flights exemption (UK APD regulation)
“The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction
there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether Two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.”
AA (c/o JonNYC, post #219):
septix by JonNYCme, on Flickr
UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures (Master Thread)
Mar 10, 2016, 1:28 pm
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Mar 10, 2016, 1:42 pm
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Mar 15, 2016, 9:13 am
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I want to make sure i understand this correctly. I should be eligible for APD refund from AA based on my 2 separate trips.
I book United award one-way IAD-LHR (arriving 1030 am) and taking off with Etihad F next morning around 9 am (using AA miles). I paid APD taxes along with carriers' usual fee for my AA award trip and i figure that I just need show AA - proof of my United trip to get refund?
Thanks.
I book United award one-way IAD-LHR (arriving 1030 am) and taking off with Etihad F next morning around 9 am (using AA miles). I paid APD taxes along with carriers' usual fee for my AA award trip and i figure that I just need show AA - proof of my United trip to get refund?
Thanks.
Mar 15, 2016, 9:25 am
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I'd be amazed if you got a refund for that itinerary... AA would have to add a reference to the UA flight to your itinerary then process the refund. I wouldn't hold out much hope.
Mar 15, 2016, 10:17 am
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Mar 15, 2016, 10:22 am
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Anything else would have a low chance of success in my opinion. If you wanted to buy the transatlantic flight and were able to get it issued on 001 stock, that'd probably give you your best chances of getting the two separate itineraries to be read together and reference each other.
Mar 16, 2016, 3:38 pm
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Microwave,
Thank you for your advices. Right now, I have F tickets from LHR to BKK with EY/QR and right now, BA's 1st IAD-LHR flight arrive 650 am, which mean 27 hours in LHR so I think i'll settle on separate ticket for TATL leg. Hopefully BA will open up Y seat on 2nd flight later, then i should qualify for UK APD due to 20 hours in LHR.
However, how can I tell AA EXP agent to read two trips together because it's good bet that ill use AA miles for TATL leg to burn more AA miles.
Thank you for your advices. Right now, I have F tickets from LHR to BKK with EY/QR and right now, BA's 1st IAD-LHR flight arrive 650 am, which mean 27 hours in LHR so I think i'll settle on separate ticket for TATL leg. Hopefully BA will open up Y seat on 2nd flight later, then i should qualify for UK APD due to 20 hours in LHR.
However, how can I tell AA EXP agent to read two trips together because it's good bet that ill use AA miles for TATL leg to burn more AA miles.
Mar 16, 2016, 8:45 pm
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I don't even remember where this came from, but it's from late 2014, I think:
and:
Separate Tickets - Tax based on Connection/Stopover (back to top)
For separate tickets when taxes are based on connection or stopover status, AA will not collect the additional tax when separate tickets have been issued. Example: GB tax. We will only do this if we can see both tickets (see Note 1). Cross reference the tickets in the endorsement box if possible. When applicable, the passenger will pay any additional tax at the airport. This separate ticket tax procedure will apply to all taxes that are charged based on connection/stopover status and is not dependent on ticket stock.
Note1: Viewing both tickets is not necessary If a passenger has cross referenced PNRs or two PQs in one PNR that are unticketed. We will accept the bookings as proof of the passenger's intent to have continuing connecting/stopover space.
For separate tickets when taxes are based on connection or stopover status, AA will not collect the additional tax when separate tickets have been issued. Example: GB tax. We will only do this if we can see both tickets (see Note 1). Cross reference the tickets in the endorsement box if possible. When applicable, the passenger will pay any additional tax at the airport. This separate ticket tax procedure will apply to all taxes that are charged based on connection/stopover status and is not dependent on ticket stock.
Note1: Viewing both tickets is not necessary If a passenger has cross referenced PNRs or two PQs in one PNR that are unticketed. We will accept the bookings as proof of the passenger's intent to have continuing connecting/stopover space.
If the customer is connecting via Great Britain or France and holds 2 separate tickets, the tax will not apply if the tickets are cross referenced.
Please document PNR with:
** PASSENGERS CONNECTING VIA GB/FR IN PNR XXXXXX FOR TKT INFO. PREMIUM TAX DOES NOT APPLY **
Please document PNR with:
** PASSENGERS CONNECTING VIA GB/FR IN PNR XXXXXX FOR TKT INFO. PREMIUM TAX DOES NOT APPLY **
Mar 16, 2016, 9:20 pm
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Jonnyc, that's a big help, and I notice that AA/UA have interline agreement so I think it's reasonable to call EXP agent and give my UA PNR for cross-reference purposes aka legit proof that it's less than 24 hours? I understand that I will not able to get refund till I actually fly, and i will need to call EXP line again to request APD refund, correctly?
Mar 16, 2016, 9:32 pm
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Jonnyc, that's a big help, and I notice that AA/UA have interline agreement so I think it's reasonable to call EXP agent and give my UA PNR for cross-reference purposes aka legit proof that it's less than 24 hours? I understand that I will not able to get refund till I actually fly, and i will need to call EXP line again to request APD refund, correctly?
Mar 17, 2016, 3:07 am
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Also, just to be clear: a 27 hour connection in London will always incur APD, no matter who tickets and how you connect.
Mar 18, 2016, 1:04 am
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APD Refund for 12-15 year olds
I am flying on an award ticket next week which includes an inter-European BA flight in Y from Gatwick. I will be traveling with my two kids, ages 13 and 15.
In the BA 'Manage My Booking' it says the APD for 12-15 year olds traveling in Y was eliminated March 1, 2016. My tickets were originally purchased in June of last year so I imagine I was charged the APD for them (the fees were the same for the three of us it would seem like we all were charged it).
On the BA site it says as long as their birthdays are entered in the records (which they are) then the refund will be automatic and will be credited to the original form of payment. I am wondering if that will be the case since my ticket was booked on AA and is not a BA ticket number.
Wondering if anyone else has had luck with getting the automatic refund?
In the BA 'Manage My Booking' it says the APD for 12-15 year olds traveling in Y was eliminated March 1, 2016. My tickets were originally purchased in June of last year so I imagine I was charged the APD for them (the fees were the same for the three of us it would seem like we all were charged it).
On the BA site it says as long as their birthdays are entered in the records (which they are) then the refund will be automatic and will be credited to the original form of payment. I am wondering if that will be the case since my ticket was booked on AA and is not a BA ticket number.
Wondering if anyone else has had luck with getting the automatic refund?
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Mar 18, 2016, 11:34 am
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AA cannot see UA bookings, full stop. From the bit Jon quoted above, "We will only do this if we can see both tickets." AA cannot see the UA tickets, so I would estimate your chances of APD refund when your connection is between AA and UA on separate tickets at very close to zero. Even for BA or IB, unless the itinerary involves AA then AA agents won't be able to see the BA/IB bookings in Sabre, and I'd be doubtful about that as well.
Also, just to be clear: a 27 hour connection in London will always incur APD, no matter who tickets and how you connect.
Also, just to be clear: a 27 hour connection in London will always incur APD, no matter who tickets and how you connect.
A few years ago, I was travelling on Aegean ATH-LHR, then on an AA flight LHR-JFK. Since AA cannot see the Aegean booking, I was told to bring a copy of the Aegean booking, including the ticket number, to the airport.
It wasn't easy, but after explaining what I was trying to accomplish, the AA Ticket Agent called 'somewhere' (don't know which AA department) and after about 20 minutes, the AA ticket was reissued with the fee/tax removed. (See item b under Connecting flights exemption in the Wiki.)
I saved about $300, iirc.
Mar 18, 2016, 2:50 pm
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If the connection is less than 24 hours, it can be done.
A few years ago, I was travelling on Aegean ATH-LHR, then on an AA flight LHR-JFK. Since AA cannot see the Aegean booking, I was told to bring a copy of the Aegean booking, including the ticket number, to the airport.
It wasn't easy, but after explaining what I was trying to accomplish, the AA Ticket Agent called 'somewhere' (don't know which AA department) and after about 20 minutes, the AA ticket was reissued with the fee/tax removed. (See item b under Connecting flights exemption in the Wiki.)
I saved about $300, iirc.
A few years ago, I was travelling on Aegean ATH-LHR, then on an AA flight LHR-JFK. Since AA cannot see the Aegean booking, I was told to bring a copy of the Aegean booking, including the ticket number, to the airport.
It wasn't easy, but after explaining what I was trying to accomplish, the AA Ticket Agent called 'somewhere' (don't know which AA department) and after about 20 minutes, the AA ticket was reissued with the fee/tax removed. (See item b under Connecting flights exemption in the Wiki.)
I saved about $300, iirc.