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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)
FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION
See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s
See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff
See HAECO interviews AA article here.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*
"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN
The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE
Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
- AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
- First class is eliminated
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
- 37 Business cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- 204 Main Cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- See aa.com's Boeing 777-200 Retrofit page for more information and renderings
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- Trip report with images, courtesy of TokinaMaso
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- 37 Business cabin
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- First class is eliminated
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.
See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
- 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
- 77W is the three class 777-323ER.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.
ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J
Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates
updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
Jan 11, 2018, 1:38 pm
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Any way to ensure I get those planes on the JFK-LHR route? I'm looking at February flights so maximum about 5 weeks to the date of travel. Is what is shown in the seatmap now likely to remain the case? If not, do I have any recourse with AA against being moved to a 10-across 777? Really not happy with the idea of flying in a 10-across seat.
Best bet is to try to snag a PE seat as MCE and hope for the best.
Jan 11, 2018, 2:47 pm
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Well, JFK-LHR is only scheduled on the Hi-J 772 and 77W, as far as I know. So it's very likely to be 9 across, seeing as only 1 77W and no Hi-J 772s have been refurbished.
But there's no guarantee. In 5 weeks there'll presumably be at least 2 more refurbished. (Thought they seem to be taking their sweet time on the Hi-J 772.) And there could always be an equipment change to a Lo-J 772 in case of IRROPS.
But there's no guarantee. In 5 weeks there'll presumably be at least 2 more refurbished. (Thought they seem to be taking their sweet time on the Hi-J 772.) And there could always be an equipment change to a Lo-J 772 in case of IRROPS.
Jan 11, 2018, 2:51 pm
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If you're booked in early February, the odds are pretty high that you'll be in the 3-3-3 MCE on a high-J 772 or 77W.
Booked later in the month and it gets chancier. Still no 45J 772s (13 of them) at KPAE, but I would imagine they will start heading that way soon.
Booked later in the month and it gets chancier. Still no 45J 772s (13 of them) at KPAE, but I would imagine they will start heading that way soon.
Jan 11, 2018, 2:51 pm
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I thought the 772 was supposed to be end of Q2, with on sale starting with flights departing on/after 10 July? I can’t recall where Inread that though, so I could be wrong or confusing it with another retrofit.
Jan 11, 2018, 2:58 pm
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The 13 45J Zodiac 772's fly mostly only out of JFK/RDU/LAX right now.
Those routes are not offering PE for sale currently (if they are a 772 route. Some of those routes are 77W and PE is on sale starting June 26 flights)
AA did say the 772's were going to be done by end of Q1. But that seems questionable now that no 45J 772 has gone to KPAE at all yet. And it takes about 6-7 days to refit these planes.
Jan 11, 2018, 4:37 pm
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I thought I read on the 777 update thread that all 772's now had PE (or would before my flight). But the AA seatmap for my flight (JFK-MAD) in June shows just what's on seatguru v2.
Should I worry?
Should I worry?
Jan 11, 2018, 4:56 pm
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Supposedly, all 772s are to have PE by end Q1, but frankly, I doubt they'll have done all 13 before the end of March. Frankly, it feels like AA doesn't know what they want to do with those planes yet. (Remove J seats/keep J as is)
Jan 11, 2018, 4:59 pm
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That is not true. The 37J 772s are complete, the 45J ones are not yet done.
Jan 11, 2018, 5:26 pm
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I’ve sent them notifications in the past, but that information has usually been ignored.
Our aircraft threads are much more up to date. They can be located through the Wikipost in HELP DESK: General questions re aircraft equipment, fleet, seats, IFE, etc..
The 47 772s are all two class (but they’re adding PEY surely over the first half of 2018 iirc), in the Zodiac Concept D or B/E Super Diamond. The Zodiacs are further divided into the standard and larger J cabin.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...under-way.html has links to the specific 772 threads. Some have seat chart illustrations in the First post, iirc.
Jan 11, 2018, 6:47 pm
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Jan 12, 2018, 6:58 am
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If AA will remove 2 rows of J (standardizing the 772 fleet at 37 J seats), then I would imagine the time to refit them will be longer than 5-7 days.
But, it's basically certain that they will have them all refitted by June, IMO.
PE has been doing very well for AA so far, and I am sure they are eager to get all the widebody routes refitted before summer travel season starts.
Jan 12, 2018, 8:01 am
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So "that is not true" was code for "yes, that's right". 
I guess AA's in a bit of a no-win situation. I'm sure they know what the future seat layout will be, but the planned aircraft may not configured as of today. Either way they allow pax to select seats may result in a need to change.
PE's currently not for sale, so I guess they're not selling/seating until they're sure of the conversion. And I guess I'm probably safe that I won't lose MCE seats - and maybe they'll have to put us in new PE seats.
Any strategy other than keeping an eye on seat assignments over the next few months?
(I'm guessing the "AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017." date needs to be updated in the Wiki?)
I guess AA's in a bit of a no-win situation. I'm sure they know what the future seat layout will be, but the planned aircraft may not configured as of today. Either way they allow pax to select seats may result in a need to change.
PE's currently not for sale, so I guess they're not selling/seating until they're sure of the conversion. And I guess I'm probably safe that I won't lose MCE seats - and maybe they'll have to put us in new PE seats.
Any strategy other than keeping an eye on seat assignments over the next few months?
(I'm guessing the "AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017." date needs to be updated in the Wiki?)
Jan 12, 2018, 8:01 am
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They took 2 to 3 weeks for the first aircraft in the past, then 2 weeks was regular time until they were able to do it in just little over a week, I will assume the same will happen with 77W.
Keep in mind most 772 45J are out of JFK/LAX/RDU to LHR/BCN and I haven't seen any upcoming launch for those routes, I think they will do the conversion at a later time (probably after 77W/789)
Keep in mind most 772 45J are out of JFK/LAX/RDU to LHR/BCN and I haven't seen any upcoming launch for those routes, I think they will do the conversion at a later time (probably after 77W/789)
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Jan 12, 2018, 8:50 am
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This was really helpful. Thank you for the details about the fleet used for JFK-LHR and for the likely dates of "densification".
Jan 12, 2018, 12:02 pm
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Seems I will be on N781AN NRT-DFW. It'll be interesting to see the cabin in person.