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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as “777” on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.

- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.

The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:

37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)

link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018


- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.

- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion

NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.


Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)

FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION

See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s

See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.

See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.

See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.

See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff

See HAECO interviews AA article here.

Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.

The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.

There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:

13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.

6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.

The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"

NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.

NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)

That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:

They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.

Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:

"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.

The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal

For the full article see here for Gary's full information.

The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.

The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:

"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:

None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018

"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*


"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*


Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.

The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):

N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN

The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE

Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018


Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018


Program details:
  • AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
    • Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
      • First class is eliminated
        • Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
          • Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
            • Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
              • Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
                • International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
                  • In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
                    • A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
                      • All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
      • New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
        • 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
          • 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
            • 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.


See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.

See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.

See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)

The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):

Widebody "C" Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
    • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
      • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.

For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.

ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J


Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates

updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
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Old Jan 22, 16, 4:33 pm
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ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com’s seat charts.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front on any seat (are perfectly square, as they all face forward at an angle), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.

Sequentially below:

Zodiac 37 J aircraft cabin.

Zodiac 45 J Business cabin (truncated view; being refitted to 37 J)

Super Diamond 37 J Business cabin
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Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE refits done. PEY, 45J to 37J under way.

^ Thanks for the update!

Looks like my flight to EZE will be on an aircraft with the superdiamond.

I originally picked 1H and 1L assuming the Concept D seats, for the movement issues and the (limited) ability to face my husband versus a stranger.

Should we just move into row 2D/2H? Or go with 1L and 2L? Limited information on the superdiamond, but it seems it's difficult to talk to anyone directly? Even in Envoy (Cirrus) a window, and aisle seat could talk relatively OK.

Flight looks empty so perhaps it won't matter much anyways. Any help is appreciated.
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^ Thanks for the update!

Looks like my flight to EZE will be on an aircraft with the superdiamond.

I originally picked 1H and 1L assuming the Concept D seats, for the movement issues and the (limited) ability to face my husband versus a stranger.

Should we just move into row 2D/2H? Or go with 1L and 2L? Limited information on the superdiamond, but it seems it's difficult to talk to anyone directly? Even in Envoy (Cirrus) a window, and aisle seat could talk relatively OK.

Flight looks empty so perhaps it won't matter much anyways. Any help is appreciated.
I haven't been on the SD seat yet, but from the pictures, it looks like it's very easy to talk to the person next to you in the center seats. ...which is frustrating for solo travelers since the privacy on these seats is very weak for center seats.

And I would definitely move back from the galley into row 2/3.
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I have a couple of questions about my upcoming flight, I am sure they are elementary to the experts on this thread so thanks in advance for the help.

I am on 281 on January 1 from DFW-ICN. It appears to be N753AN https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n753an

1. According to the Wiki, it shows this as the super diamond seats and forward facing but the seat map shows a forward/rear facing config. Is that just a quirk in the seat maps or is is really forward/rear facing?

2. Anyone have experience with internet on the newly configured aircraft? Performance and cost info?

Thanks and appreciate all the good info in this thread, not sure how you guys keep up on all this stuff.
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I have a couple of questions about my upcoming flight, I am sure they are elementary to the experts on this thread so thanks in advance for the help.

I am on 281 on January 1 from DFW-ICN. It appears to be N753AN https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n753an

1. According to the Wiki, it shows this as the super diamond seats and forward facing but the seat map shows a forward/rear facing config. Is that just a quirk in the seat maps or is is really forward/rear facing?

2. Anyone have experience with internet on the newly configured aircraft? Performance and cost info?

Thanks and appreciate all the good info in this thread, not sure how you guys keep up on all this stuff.
The seat map shown on AA.com should be the final arbiter on what the aircraft is. I would go with what AA shows over what Flight Radar has.
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Originally Posted by mcgahat View Post
I have a couple of questions about my upcoming flight, I am sure they are elementary to the experts on this thread so thanks in advance for the help.

I am on 281 on January 1 from DFW-ICN. It appears to be N753AN https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n753an

1. According to the Wiki, it shows this as the super diamond seats and forward facing but the seat map shows a forward/rear facing config. Is that just a quirk in the seat maps or is is really forward/rear facing?

2. Anyone have experience with internet on the newly configured aircraft? Performance and cost info?

Thanks and appreciate all the good info in this thread, not sure how you guys keep up on all this stuff.
The BE configured planes show a forward/rear facing seats as if it's the Zodiac version on the seatmaps.
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Having flown the Refurb&77W back to back... I actually liked the Refurb better. Call me crazy.

More privacy in the reverse. the only downside is that the screen is further away.
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The BE configured planes show a forward/rear facing seats as if it's the Zodiac version on the seatmaps.
Yes, I am on the plane now and it is definitely forward facing even though it shows rear facing seats on the seat map. I like the setup with the exception of two things. First, the tray table even when pulled all the way forward is too high to work from comfortably. Second, it doesnt appear that you can move the seat forward independently without reclining the seat back or raising the leg rest. I like to sit mostly upright and use the stationary foot rest but cant find any way of getting it to that position. The seat is very comfortable from a cushion perspective though so when I get ready to take a nap I am sure it will be great. Internet is $19 by Panasonic and it kind of sucks, basic browsing only.
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Having flown the Refurb&77W back to back... I actually liked the Refurb better. Call me crazy.

More privacy in the reverse. the only downside is that the screen is further away.
I flew the 772 Zodiac a lot this summer and came to the same conclusion.

But then I had a few 77W flights this fall and changed my mind. 77W is my preferred.

I do like flying backwards, though. I seem to sleep better in the reverse seats, for some reason.
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Yes, I am on the plane now and it is definitely forward facing even though it shows rear facing seats on the seat map. I like the setup with the exception of two things. First, the tray table even when pulled all the way forward is too high to work from comfortably. Second, it doesnt appear that you can move the seat forward independently without reclining the seat back or raising the leg rest. I like to sit mostly upright and use the stationary foot rest but cant find any way of getting it to that position. The seat is very comfortable from a cushion perspective though so when I get ready to take a nap I am sure it will be great. Internet is $19 by Panasonic and it kind of sucks, basic browsing only.
Thanks for the pics! Hope you had a comfortable flight.

Were you in a center seat? Let us know what you thought about the privacy (or presumptive lack thereof) when you have a chance.
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Yes, I am on the plane now and it is definitely forward facing even though it shows rear facing seats on the seat map. I like the setup with the exception of two things. First, the tray table even when pulled all the way forward is too high to work from comfortably. Second, it doesnt appear that you can move the seat forward independently without reclining the seat back or raising the leg rest. I like to sit mostly upright and use the stationary foot rest but cant find any way of getting it to that position. The seat is very comfortable from a cushion perspective though so when I get ready to take a nap I am sure it will be great. Internet is $19 by Panasonic and it kind of sucks, basic browsing only.
We flew DFW-NRT on 61 on 12/18, and it was a refurb cabin that was definitely all forward facing. Hard product is great. Terrific AVOD system with the huge screen and really good picture quality, and tons of selection. Overall, liked the seats themselves a lot.

Also did find that it was hard to reach the footrest without reclining. There was no fwd/back adjustment like there is on the CX seat, for example. And because the screen is stationary and does't flip out like the CX version, it creates a fully enclosed cubby for your feet when in bed position.

Even though our flight came about because of a missed connection to JL11 the prior day, had a really good overall experience. Meals were decent, very good crew and a great hard product.
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N793AN returned to the active fleet on Jan 4 while N775AN made its way to HKG bringing the refurb completion rate to 60%.
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The seats are generally fine. However not being able to completely tuck away the table was bothersome.
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Am on N765AN now and can sadly note that it is a Concept D 37J bird, not the BE seats... thankfully 7L is a great seat in either config but really missing the storage of the BE seats.
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Thanks for the pics! Hope you had a comfortable flight.

Were you in a center seat? Let us know what you thought about the privacy (or presumptive lack thereof) when you have a chance.
Flew this last week. It was private enough but strange they didn't put in a divider. My husband kept saying "no they wouldn't be that stupid" but relented they indeed were. He loved the seat, I thought it was nice. A little tight getting in/out but the TV and seat comfort were great. Also a great crew MIA-EZE.
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