Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
Last edit by: fedechat
NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)
FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION
See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s
See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff
See HAECO interviews AA article here.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*
"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN
The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE
Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
- AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
- First class is eliminated
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
- 37 Business cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- 204 Main Cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- See aa.com's Boeing 777-200 Retrofit page for more information and renderings
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- Trip report with images, courtesy of TokinaMaso
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- 37 Business cabin
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- First class is eliminated
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.
See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
- 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
- 77W is the three class 777-323ER.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.
ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J
Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates
updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
Nov 20, 2017, 12:25 pm
#391
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: South Florida
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7 of last 8 flights for AA 7 show the PE variety, and I am not far out from my trip on it. Currently me and my gf are in 13K 13L, the PE version is 13J 13L in those seats. There is no 13K on the PE variety. So I am trying to figure out if AA would be smart enough to keep me in 13J and switch her from 13K to 13L (since nobody else will have that seat currently since it does not exist) or if it will do something crazy like move one or both of us completely out of 13 altogether to god knows where. I have been checking every day, but doesn't seem like the seatmap on AA will change at least until right before the flight. We are booked together. Seems like at the very least 14B 14K 15B 15K would be in trouble since those seats don't exist on the PE version. Not sure if I should be excited for getting PE free on an 8.5 hr flight or worried about one or both of us getting tossed back somewhere else last minute.
Last edited by fedechat; Nov 20, 2017 at 12:34 pm
Nov 20, 2017, 4:58 pm
#392
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Business Class Seats for Frames with Premium Economy
Have upcoming trip DFW-NRT and the AA website shows the PEY section finally and as we all know, Seatguru still does not show any updated seat maps with PEY. So, the question is: Do all frames (tail numbers) that have PEY have the same business class seats and if so, what is it or is there a mixture of the two styles of seats? Apologies if I missed this answer somewhere else in the forum.
Nov 20, 2017, 5:07 pm
#393
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Nov 21, 2017, 4:52 am
#394
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EXP, LT Gold
Posts: 3,148
Have upcoming trip DFW-NRT and the AA website shows the PEY section finally and as we all know, Seatguru still does not show any updated seat maps with PEY. So, the question is: Do all frames (tail numbers) that have PEY have the same business class seats and if so, what is it or is there a mixture of the two styles of seats? Apologies if I missed this answer somewhere else in the forum.
Amongst them, 5 of the 31 currently with PE are the Zodiac variety. The rest are Super Diamond.
Nov 21, 2017, 9:26 am
#395
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Appreciate the information, not even certain how you knew that, but thanks for sharing. I guess I will need to wait to see which tail number they assign, because I am guessing it is way too early for a flight at the end of December to have that information available.
Nov 21, 2017, 10:09 am
#396
Join Date: May 2011
Location: DFW
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You will likely start seeing a tail # for your flight on FlightRadar24.com about 2 days before the flight. But those can change anytime. You'll know with decent certainty 24 hours out, depending on the route. E.g. hubs with large 772 fleet movements can change within 4 hours of departure, as they swap one in for another, etc.
Nov 23, 2017, 8:33 pm
#397
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: UA, AA
Posts: 13
Tracket72: you should be able to keep your actual seat since the new PE seats is considered MCE until they start selling PE on that route, which will be Dec 15 for most routes, just report back about this please.
David Ocamb, you will be able to see the new configuration around T24~T36 and you can check the actual aircraft registration number at T48~T36 on flighradar24, make sure you select seats in row 13, 14 and 15, A, C, D, E, G, H, J and L.
David Ocamb, you will be able to see the new configuration around T24~T36 and you can check the actual aircraft registration number at T48~T36 on flighradar24, make sure you select seats in row 13, 14 and 15, A, C, D, E, G, H, J and L.
Reporting back. Yes I was able to keep my assigned seat and it was PE. The guy next to me was tickled pink. The seats were okay. Being in the bulkhead gave us plenty of legroom. I found the footrest very uncomfortable. I'm about 5'10 so couldn't find a comfortable position using it. No additional services, same food, which was expected. Overall, a little more room but I wasn't blown away.
Nov 23, 2017, 8:47 pm
#398
Join Date: Apr 2015
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Posts: 604
Reporting back. Yes I was able to keep my assigned seat and it was PE. The guy next to me was tickled pink. The seats were okay. Being in the bulkhead gave us plenty of legroom. I found the footrest very uncomfortable. I'm about 5'10 so couldn't find a comfortable position using it. No additional services, same food, which was expected. Overall, a little more room but I wasn't blown away.
Thanks for reporting back, even though my flt next week is to Hawaii and I likely won't get anything PE except the seat, I am still excited.
Nov 23, 2017, 11:36 pm
#399
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Ah man that stinks that the foot rest isn't too great. I'm in 13J so assuming I get the PE version as well the footrest won't do much for me either as I am 6'4.
Thanks for reporting back, even though my flt next week is to Hawaii and I likely won't get anything PE except the seat, I am still excited.
Thanks for reporting back, even though my flt next week is to Hawaii and I likely won't get anything PE except the seat, I am still excited.
Nov 28, 2017, 8:36 pm
#400
Join Date: Apr 2015
Programs: AA Gold, Enterprise PLT, Marriott Gold
Posts: 604
Just a note for anyone wondering. My flight was a PE version 772, and the seatmap didn't finally reflect that on AA.com until ~12 hours before the flight.
Nov 29, 2017, 12:41 pm
#401
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Location: South Florida
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s long your flight is on a low 37J Business configuration, you will get the free PEY seat until Dec 14, keep in mind high 45J configuration will have 12 rows in Business and 3-3-3 configuration between row 13 and 17, and most of the time those plane will fly out of JFK, LAX and ORD (serving EZE, LHR etc).
Dec 3, 2017, 3:27 am
#402
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G’day allIt seems to me as if AA may have brought in a third style of seat … called standing room onlyJPurely by chance I discovered that AA has altered my aircraft configuration. We are booked on AA57 LHR MIA and the designation has been altered from 77W to 772. I can’t say that I am overly happy about this but I’ll have to live with it. The interesting bit for me was they transferred my seat assignments across to the new aircraft. The AA seat map for the 77W shows A / D G / JThe AA seat map for the 772 shows A / D H / L Going into our booking on AA we were still shown as 6 D G which, with the aircraft change was a non-starter as there is only one seat on row 6 - and that is 6L? That would have been an interesting conversation at check in time …. I changed them to 2D 2H ! The seat map on the booking shows 37 forward facing Business Class seats, so seating could be either a Zodiac or a Super Diamond and I am none the wiser and presume I will find out for certain when I board the aircraft on the day, or do they have a ‘pool’ of aircraft for certain routes?
Dec 9, 2017, 7:03 pm
#403
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Is the AA seat map still incorrect when it shows forward and backward facing seats? I'm looking at LAX-LHR and it shows both directions, but I thought his route was the super diamond. My DFW-NRT earlier this year also showed both directions on the seat map when reality it was a super diamond all forward facing.
Edit: I just did a count of 260 seats so it's the "concept D" and my DFW-NRT I'm guessing may have been a last minute swap.
Edit: I just did a count of 260 seats so it's the "concept D" and my DFW-NRT I'm guessing may have been a last minute swap.
Last edited by frudd38; Dec 9, 2017 at 7:16 pm
Dec 11, 2017, 4:23 pm
#404
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Flight 174 RDU-LHR tonight was an equipment swap to N792AN. According to the FA, this is the first revenue flight for this bird, post refit. Whether or not that is true, it certainly looks shiny and new.