Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
Last edit by: fedechat
NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)
FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION
See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s
See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff
See HAECO interviews AA article here.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*
"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN
The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE
Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
- AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
- First class is eliminated
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
- 37 Business cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- 204 Main Cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- See aa.com's Boeing 777-200 Retrofit page for more information and renderings
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- Trip report with images, courtesy of TokinaMaso
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- 37 Business cabin
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- First class is eliminated
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.
See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
- 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
- 77W is the three class 777-323ER.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.
ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J
Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates
updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
Jul 6, 2017, 6:31 am
#241
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I thought I had read here a couple of months back that AA will be running extra sections (flights) from Tokyo to reposition the last of the refurbed equipment back to the US.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
Jul 6, 2017, 10:01 am
#242
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I thought I had read here a couple of months back that AA will be running extra sections (flights) from Tokyo to reposition the last of the refurbed equipment back to the US.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
Jul 7, 2017, 4:57 am
#244
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Extra Sections repositioning equipment back to US
I thought I had read here a couple of months back that AA will be running extra sections (flights) from Tokyo to reposition the last of the refurbed equipment back to the US.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
Does anyone have the dates (or city pairs). I can't seem to locate the post in this thread.
Thanks.
AA122: NRT-ORD: 8/6, 8/11
AA122: NRT-DFW: 9/9
This would suggest 1 rotating 777-200 will maintain a presence in HAECO for regularly scheduled C/D checks into the future.
Last edited by nyc6035; Jul 7, 2017 at 5:27 pm
Jul 7, 2017, 10:06 am
#245
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Answering my own question, in case anyone is looking for the potential for an easier upgrade or maybe even the potential for late available award space (none at the moment -- is anyone surprised):
AA122: NRT-LAX: 8/6, 8/11
AA122: NRT-DFW: 9/9
This would suggest 1 rotating 777-200 will maintain a presence in HAECO for regularly scheduled C/D checks into the future.
AA122: NRT-LAX: 8/6, 8/11
AA122: NRT-DFW: 9/9
This would suggest 1 rotating 777-200 will maintain a presence in HAECO for regularly scheduled C/D checks into the future.
Also ORD CDG switches to a 772 Aug 4 and switches back to 789 Oct 5.
Jul 7, 2017, 5:26 pm
#246
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Jul 10, 2017, 4:44 pm
#247
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Is there a definitive guide as to which 772 are completed with new lie flat biz seats? I've got an upcoming SCL to MIA end of October. Seat map on AA is very confusing and the regular seat sites don't seem to know which is which. Some say there is an F cabin, some don't. We were put in 10 A and D, seems window and aisle across. Any understanding from a route basis what sort of cabin this is?
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
Jul 10, 2017, 5:28 pm
#248
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Is there a definitive guide as to which 772 are completed with new lie flat biz seats? I've got an upcoming SCL to MIA end of October. Seat map on AA is very confusing and the regular seat sites don't seem to know which is which. Some say there is an F cabin, some don't. We were put in 10 A and D, seems window and aisle across. Any understanding from a route basis what sort of cabin this is?
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
Lots of good information there.
Jul 10, 2017, 5:40 pm
#249
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However, I wasn’t able to cross-reference an updated tail number with an actual flight number or route?
I know this used to be available on BA, but is there a similar AA look up table that would show me which route and or flight has which tail number?
That link I was not able to find in the Wiki.
Thanks again for any more tips
Jul 11, 2017, 6:34 am
#250
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Indeed I did, it has a great wealth of information.
However, I wasn’t able to cross-reference an updated tail number with an actual flight number or route?
I know this used to be available on BA, but is there a similar AA look up table that would show me which route and or flight has which tail number?
That link I was not able to find in the Wiki.
Thanks again for any more tips
However, I wasn’t able to cross-reference an updated tail number with an actual flight number or route?
I know this used to be available on BA, but is there a similar AA look up table that would show me which route and or flight has which tail number?
That link I was not able to find in the Wiki.
Thanks again for any more tips
oddly it is listed as having first/biz/econ which to my knowledge isn't at all a config still being flown on that route, so i am wondering if even WITH plane info we can definitively find out which retrofit it is.
Jul 11, 2017, 6:51 am
#251
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You'll never be able to tell which tail number is assigned to a specific flight until the earliest 2 days out. Even then, I've had tail numbers switched a few hours or even mere minutes before scheduled boarding.
As to choosing seats, I always select a seat I'd prefer to sit in on the Zodiac version, and if I end up on a B/E Super Diamond plane, it is just as well. For example, I prefer a 2L rear-facing seat on Zodiac, but really don't care if I end up flying on an all-forward-facing config with the same seat number. My suggestion would be to plan for a Zodiac plane which DOES have rear-facing seats and select seats based on that, so nobody will be disappointed if it changes to the other version. I've always found that most people are more upset when finding a seat that suddenly faces backward when they were expecting to sit forward, but that's just my experience...
As to choosing seats, I always select a seat I'd prefer to sit in on the Zodiac version, and if I end up on a B/E Super Diamond plane, it is just as well. For example, I prefer a 2L rear-facing seat on Zodiac, but really don't care if I end up flying on an all-forward-facing config with the same seat number. My suggestion would be to plan for a Zodiac plane which DOES have rear-facing seats and select seats based on that, so nobody will be disappointed if it changes to the other version. I've always found that most people are more upset when finding a seat that suddenly faces backward when they were expecting to sit forward, but that's just my experience...
Jul 11, 2017, 7:42 am
#252
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Is there a definitive guide as to which 772 are completed with new lie flat biz seats? I've got an upcoming SCL to MIA end of October. Seat map on AA is very confusing and the regular seat sites don't seem to know which is which. Some say there is an F cabin, some don't. We were put in 10 A and D, seems window and aisle across. Any understanding from a route basis what sort of cabin this is?
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
Maybe the 57.5K miles fare was too good to be true. ;-)
But by the end of October, they will all be fully-flat. So for your flight, it will either by the forward/rear Zodiac fully-flat seat or the all-forward facing Super Diamond.
You can check the Wiki here for the tail numbers of those specific planes: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...iscussion.html
Jul 11, 2017, 10:23 am
#253
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So I've got AA123 booked next Feb, and it's showing 772. Is there any way to tell, prior to day of departure, what type of seating I'll have? Looking to make sure I make the correct selection if I have Zodiacs or not.
Or, better yet, is there a seat selection for a couple, who both want a window seat and we're ok sitting in front of each other, that would be good on all types of 772?
Or, better yet, is there a seat selection for a couple, who both want a window seat and we're ok sitting in front of each other, that would be good on all types of 772?
Jul 11, 2017, 12:53 pm
#254
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So I've got AA123 booked next Feb, and it's showing 772. Is there any way to tell, prior to day of departure, what type of seating I'll have? Looking to make sure I make the correct selection if I have Zodiacs or not.
Or, better yet, is there a seat selection for a couple, who both want a window seat and we're ok sitting in front of each other, that would be good on all types of 772?
Or, better yet, is there a seat selection for a couple, who both want a window seat and we're ok sitting in front of each other, that would be good on all types of 772?
Jul 11, 2017, 1:29 pm
#255
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Yes, any window seat will be good in that case (one of you will be rear-facing if you get the zodiac). If you check your seat map you will be able to see if you get a Zodiac or B/E Aero (missing the arrow) and try to select a front seat in case AA decided to change your 772 to a 767 v2.
Can you elaborate on the "arrow"? I don't see arrows anywhere on the Seat Map for the flight on aa.com. I assume the seats are B/E then, since no arrow is needed to specify forward/rear facing?