Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)
FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION
See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s
See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff
See HAECO interviews AA article here.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*
"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN
The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE
Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
- AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
- First class is eliminated
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
- 37 Business cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- 204 Main Cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- See aa.com's Boeing 777-200 Retrofit page for more information and renderings
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- Trip report with images, courtesy of TokinaMaso
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- 37 Business cabin
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- First class is eliminated
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.
See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
- 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
- 77W is the three class 777-323ER.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.
ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J
Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates
updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
May 27, 2017, 10:26 am
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Aa71 Fra-dfw on Monday. Hopefully my chances of cip 777 have improved! Was supposed to fly aa70 from dfw originally but missed the flight and scored a nice new 77w to Heathrow on the way here. Hopefully now I can get lucky again? Anyone know? I've read through most of the recent most.
Which class of service are you traveling in?
May 28, 2017, 8:58 am
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Looks like HAECO isn't quite ready for N792AN...earlier it was scheduled to go to HKG after operating flight 61 today...now it's scheduled to return on 176, although heading back to NRT on 175 tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/n792an
May 30, 2017, 9:16 pm
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The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017. (Added to Wikipost)
May 31, 2017, 6:30 am
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Well, N792AN is again scheduled to head to NRT on June 1st, so far no return flight on the books but a little early to tell. Maybe this time it'll actually go to HAECO...
Jun 2, 2017, 5:52 am
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OK, last time N792AN ended up not going to NRT at all. This time it is scheduled for today June 2nd and it seems legit, as N771AN is on the books to operate the return from NRT on flight 176. In fact, it has already flown from HAECO in HKG to NRT: https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/n771an
This will now leave 4 777s in the original 3-class configuration.
This will now leave 4 777s in the original 3-class configuration.
Jun 2, 2017, 6:36 pm
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N792AN got delayed (complete shocker) and is in-flight to NRT. Should arrive at HAECO late June 3 Hong Kong time. N771AN will be returning to service on NRT-DFW on June 4 Tokyo time. Given the time needed to refurbish each aircraft and will only four left, two more 772s will head over to HAECO by the end of the month. The third will likely head over at around the same time as the final old configuration route, MIA-SCL, will switch over to a 289 seat 772. There will be a spare old configuration 772 around for a few weeks after all 772 routes will be operated by CIP aircraft. I have no idea when the first 772 going in for W will be modded. My presumption is that it will occur at TUL since the first 772 with the Super Diamond interior install was done there in order to speed up the certification process. My best guess is it will be one of the first 13 772s that were modded to the 45J/215Y configuration as they were the first to modified with the new interior. I also don't have a clue if they will keep the 45J. Knowing this management, it wouldn't be a shock if the 13 aircraft with the 45J/215Y configuration lose two rows of J to make way for W, and have all seats in Y, including MCE, go ten abreast.
Jun 3, 2017, 8:18 am
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I have no idea when the first 772 going in for W will be modded. My presumption is that it will occur at TUL since the first 772 with the Super Diamond interior install was done there in order to speed up the certification process. My best guess is it will be one of the first 13 772s that were modded to the 45J/215Y configuration as they were the first to modified with the new interior. I also don't have a clue if they will keep the 45J. Knowing this management, it wouldn't be a shock if the 13 aircraft with the 45J/215Y configuration lose two rows of J to make way for W, and have all seats in Y, including MCE, go ten abreast.
What bugs me is that Y pitch will likely reduce from 31-32" to 30-31" given that AA added 3 MCE rows in the last Y section while preserving the same number of total seats. 789 is already in 30-31".
Jun 5, 2017, 7:05 am
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N780AN is scheduled on today's flight 61 from DFW-NRT. It also operated a 61/60 turn the past two days. However, as of this posting it has not been scheduled to return to the US yet. This suggests it may be heading to HAECO.
Looks like the next plane to return to service would be N786AN.
Let's see what happens...
Looks like the next plane to return to service would be N786AN.
Let's see what happens...
Jun 5, 2017, 7:18 am
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I think 37J will get W first. I searched Jan 2018 schedule, and most (if not all) of those 37J routes show W in the seatmap while 45J routes (out of JFK) are still in the current seatmap. If 37J ones are converted first, 4 rows of 10-abreast Y seats will be removed from each fleet. They can be directly used on 45J to replace several rows of 9-abreast Y/MCE without having to manufacture seats.
What bugs me is that Y pitch will likely reduce from 31-32" to 30-31" given that AA added 3 MCE rows in the last Y section while preserving the same number of total seats. 789 is already in 30-31".
What bugs me is that Y pitch will likely reduce from 31-32" to 30-31" given that AA added 3 MCE rows in the last Y section while preserving the same number of total seats. 789 is already in 30-31".
Jun 5, 2017, 1:56 pm
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Update: N780AN is indeed scheduled to head to HAECO, as N786AN is now set to operate flight 176 back to DFW on June 7th. Looks like it flew from HKG to NRT on June 2nd.
This leaves just 3 aircraft in the original 3-class configuration.
Aircraft left to reconfigure are now:
N794AN
N790AN
N758AN
This leaves just 3 aircraft in the original 3-class configuration.
Aircraft left to reconfigure are now:
N794AN
N790AN
N758AN
Jun 6, 2017, 12:05 pm
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MIA-MXP (AA206) shows Oct 9 Departure configured with new B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Seats. Just booked and keeping my fingers crossed.
MIA-MXP (AA206) shows Oct 9 Departure configured with new B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Seats. Just booked and keeping my fingers crossed.
Jun 6, 2017, 7:59 pm
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It was a "bad" experience if you care to complain...nothing that hasn't been said here before except personally, the entertainment box underneath me for the passenger behind me was really hot, and uncomfortable as you can imagine. A hell of a way to spend 11 hours. Better experience in row 42 of the 77W on the way over as you can imagine!
Jun 10, 2017, 6:11 am
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First 772 W refit in progress @PAE
N781AN