Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
Last edit by: fedechat
NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)
FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION
See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the “45” 777s
See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.
See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.
See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff
See HAECO interviews AA article here.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*
"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN
The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE
Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
- AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
- First class is eliminated
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
- A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
- In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
- International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
- Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
- Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
- Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
- Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
- New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
- 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
- New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
- 37 Business cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- 204 Main Cabin
- 48 Main Cabin Extra
- See aa.com's Boeing 777-200 Retrofit page for more information and renderings
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- Trip report with images, courtesy of TokinaMaso
- Rendered overhead view of rear facing business class seat
- "45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
- "45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
- 37 Business cabin
- 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
- First class is eliminated
- Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.
See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.
See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
- 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
- 77W is the three class 777-323ER.
- 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.
ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J
Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates
updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
Oct 28, 2018, 9:02 am
#601
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I decided to update the wiki since it wasn't updated in the last couple of months. Two 772 45J arrived at PAE in the last couple of days to be converted to 37J+PE and 3 more were already converted in the last 4 weeks. Only 7 772 45J are active at the moment and if they continue doing it at this pace, all 772 should be converted by the end of the year.
Nov 28, 2018, 9:10 pm
#602
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Flying AA 174 on 12/9 and AA173 on 12/14. Are there PE seats on this plane?
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
Nov 28, 2018, 10:08 pm
#603
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Flying AA 174 on 12/9 and AA173 on 12/14. Are there PE seats on this plane?
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
Right now your flights are still showing an old map. Make sure that you have a seat that exists in PE configuration so when equipment change happens you don’t find yourself in the middle seat of row 99.
I’d say there is a high chance that those 2 planes will go to PAE to get refurbished before your trip so it’s a gamble at this point
Nov 29, 2018, 4:34 am
#604
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Flying AA 174 on 12/9 and AA173 on 12/14. Are there PE seats on this plane?
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
They do that strategically. RDU isn't a premium market for them so typically it's one of non retrofit 772s and backward facing J seats
Nov 29, 2018, 6:58 am
#605
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there are only 2 772 left that are not refitted with PE seats. N795AN & N759AN
Right now your flights are still showing an old map. Make sure that you have a seat that exists in PE configuration so when equipment change happens you don’t find yourself in the middle seat of row 99.
I’d say there is a high chance that those 2 planes will go to PAE to get refurbished before your trip so it’s a gamble at this point
Nov 29, 2018, 7:13 am
#606
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Flying AA 174 on 12/9 and AA173 on 12/14. Are there PE seats on this plane?
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
I have flown this route 4 times this year but always blindly used SWUs to get in J. I’m thinking of banking my last SWUs until 2019 and just curious if I’m in a true PE seat before I decide to apply them or not.
Thanks in advance, as the search feature is not great on the mobile platform.
Fed
PS; remember, you will get a PE seat but not a PE service.
Nov 29, 2018, 7:35 am
#607
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JFK/LAX/RDU-LHR were dedicated routes with the 45J 772 version which were 100% Zodiac config aka the forward/backward facing business setup.
Nov 29, 2018, 10:36 am
#608
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Late December PE is on sale on those routes, and there should definitely be no 45J 772 in service after that. I would then assume there would be no need to dedicate the former 45J Zodiac 772s on those routes. Anyone have a feel for this? Just hoping to see Super Diamond on the LHR/JFK route next year. I finally experienced a Super Diamond seat last week (FRA/DFW) and now I understand what the fuss was all about.
Nov 29, 2018, 12:04 pm
#609
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Late December PE is on sale on those routes, and there should definitely be no 45J 772 in service after that. I would then assume there would be no need to dedicate the former 45J Zodiac 772s on those routes. Anyone have a feel for this? Just hoping to see Super Diamond on the LHR/JFK route next year. I finally experienced a Super Diamond seat last week (FRA/DFW) and now I understand what the fuss was all about.
Nov 29, 2018, 5:49 pm
#610
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Select a PE seat, which means row 13~15 and avoid B/K seats. Keep in mind there is only 2 772 without PE at the moment, one in BFM (since last month) and the other one in Tulsa (por repair). There are 2 772 in PAE under conversion, one will be done this weekend and the other one by next week, so even if those 2 772 without PE come out to service, they will be at PAE before your flight.
Fed
PS; remember, you will get a PE seat but not a PE service.
Fed
PS; remember, you will get a PE seat but not a PE service.
My seat maps are below. So..... I should be good on the RDU-LHR flight, but the Return is confusing since it shows the same configuration all the way to the back of the cabin.
Nov 29, 2018, 6:03 pm
#611
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And if I were you i
would select a seat in row 26-29 right now. Once equipment change happens and you don’t get premium economy seat cuz no availability, at least you will end up in MCE row 26-29 (reconfigured 772 have MCE in both economy cabins)
Nov 29, 2018, 6:18 pm
#612
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you are out of luck for now on your return trip. Keep checking seat map and maybe one seat in row 13-15 will open up.
And if I were you i
would select a seat in row 26-29 right now. Once equipment change happens and you don’t get premium economy seat cuz no availability, at least you will end up in MCE row 26-29 (reconfigured 772 have MCE in both economy cabins)
Thanks to all for the help.
Nov 30, 2018, 12:54 pm
#613
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You should select 13A on your outbound and exit seat on the inbound. As AA CK you will be able to get free PE seats during check in, not at the moment because they are not selling PE for your dates.
Dec 5, 2018, 6:04 pm
#614
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No more C45 downgraded to C37 issues, etc. OTOH, with all 777-200s with Premium Economy, no more freebie PE seats will soon be upon us.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
Dec 5, 2018, 6:12 pm
#615
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I still don't know how to tell them apart. We were on one 777 from JFK to MXP the Friday before Thanksgiving and another one on the way back the day after Thanksgiving. On the way back, all in party agreed that the plane was the best we'd been on (we've only flown US, AA and LH biz years ago). On the way over, the two forwards facing seats were cramped and tight.
Of course we had the mixed bag of service. "Would you like dessert?" "What do you have?" "Oh, it's all listed in the menu." I've had worse service...better as well.
Of course we had the mixed bag of service. "Would you like dessert?" "What do you have?" "Oh, it's all listed in the menu." I've had worse service...better as well.