Alec Baldwin apparently kicked off AA flight at LAX
Dec 7, 2011, 5:24 pm
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I didn't realize words with friends was important work (unless he was playing with Steven Spielberg).
Dec 7, 2011, 7:09 pm
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Sorry about the forum confusion. The 1st thread was closed earlier by this volunteer with the intention of cleaning and reopening.
Some posts had went way beyond JDiver's admonition to have fun with this topic and about made my head explode. Prior to calming down some personal matters intervened and a 2nd SNAFU began. Have only got back to the task at hand. Once again we would like to leave the topic open for yours and our enjoyment and do hope that it will continue without ad hominem directed at other members. That once again also includes offensive and sterotypical remarks about a a person or group.
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Dec 7, 2011, 7:20 pm
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Whether one takes AA's or AB's side in this story, no one can denied that airline industry services deteriorated and the issue is not even in bad meals, etc. It's a paranoia that brought almost military rules. He sure is right calling it paramilitary.
PS. To clear the air, AA was right to throw him out after his tantrum
PS. To clear the air, AA was right to throw him out after his tantrum
but indeed, after 911 airline FAs have been throwing pax out for pretty much any reason they can think of.
Dec 7, 2011, 7:26 pm
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This is America. Alec has a right to his opinion that FAs enforcing regulations are paranoid. It is possible that Alec did not lose any of his friends on 9/11. Many FAs do not share that happy circumstance. I can say from personal experience that it alters your perspective. I have a right to my opinion also.
Dec 7, 2011, 7:30 pm
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Dec 7, 2011, 7:34 pm
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A legitimate question that arises here...
Can someone chime and let us know why — per AA's casual enforcement of FAA policy – taxiing from the gate with phones on is unacceptable before takeoff but taxiing to the gate after landing with phones on is acceptable?
Is there something fundamentally different about the pre-flight and post-flight phases that we're missing from the FAA's perspective?
In my experience on AA flights at LAX and JFK, the "it is now safe" message happens when the plane is still on (or about to cross) an active runway. If there were a need to evacuate the plane in a hurry after landing, it's just as unsafe then as before takeoff.
What am I missing?
Is there something fundamentally different about the pre-flight and post-flight phases that we're missing from the FAA's perspective?
In my experience on AA flights at LAX and JFK, the "it is now safe" message happens when the plane is still on (or about to cross) an active runway. If there were a need to evacuate the plane in a hurry after landing, it's just as unsafe then as before takeoff.
What am I missing?
Dec 7, 2011, 7:44 pm
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Can someone chime and let us know why — per AA's casual enforcement of FAA policy – taxiing from the gate with phones on is unacceptable before takeoff but taxiing to the gate after landing with phones on is acceptable?
Is there something fundamentally different about the pre-flight and post-flight phases that we're missing from the FAA's perspective?
In my experience on AA flights at LAX and JFK, the "it is now safe" message happens when the plane is still on (or about to cross) an active runway. If there were a need to evacuate the plane in a hurry after landing, it's just as unsafe then as before takeoff.
What am I missing?
Is there something fundamentally different about the pre-flight and post-flight phases that we're missing from the FAA's perspective?
In my experience on AA flights at LAX and JFK, the "it is now safe" message happens when the plane is still on (or about to cross) an active runway. If there were a need to evacuate the plane in a hurry after landing, it's just as unsafe then as before takeoff.
What am I missing?
Dec 7, 2011, 7:45 pm
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This is a good point. From what I would term the psuedo-military TSA atmosphere to the paramilitary attitude of some flight crews, the travel experience has been chronically infected with paranoia. For those that would say, well it's 9/11, and people were traumatized, I'd agree. But I'd also add that that is no longer a valid excuse. There has been plenty of time to get help and adapt in a common sense manner.
Dec 7, 2011, 7:47 pm
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A Farewell to Common Sense, Style, and Service on American Airlines
By Alec Baldwin
Excerpt:
By Alec Baldwin
Excerpt:
However, I have learned a valuable lesson. Airlines in the US are struggling with fuel costs, labor costs, bankruptcies, you name it. It's no secret that the level of service on US carriers has deteriorated to a point that would make Howard Hughes red-faced. Filthy planes, barely edible meals, cuts in jet service to less-traveled locations. One of the big changes, in my time, is in the increase of the post-9/11, paramilitary bearing of much of the air travel business. September 11th was a horrific day in the airline industry, yet in the wake of that event, I believe carriers and airports have used that as an excuse to make the air travel experience as inelegant as possible.
Most of the flight attendants I have ever encountered still have some remnant of the old idea of service. Add to that the notion that in this day and age, many people have a lot of important work to do, by phone, and would like to do so till the last possible minute. But there are many now who walk the aisles of an airplane with a whistle around their neck and a clipboard in their hands and they have made flying a Greyhound bus experience.
Most of the flight attendants I have ever encountered still have some remnant of the old idea of service. Add to that the notion that in this day and age, many people have a lot of important work to do, by phone, and would like to do so till the last possible minute. But there are many now who walk the aisles of an airplane with a whistle around their neck and a clipboard in their hands and they have made flying a Greyhound bus experience.
Dec 7, 2011, 7:52 pm
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I also believe that AA apologized to him and did everything possible to make him happy including putting him on the next flight. IMHO the facebook post was a reaction to the fact that he is able to post his views whenever he wants.
Keep in mind that he is their target Lax customer (think new entrance for him at the airport) and at least at the corporate level they must expect some of this behavior from celebrities. Whether the front line people are with the program is another issue.
Keep in mind that he is their target Lax customer (think new entrance for him at the airport) and at least at the corporate level they must expect some of this behavior from celebrities. Whether the front line people are with the program is another issue.
Dec 7, 2011, 8:06 pm
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If he's smart, he'll take this issue to the top, and make some changes in the electronics policy!
Dec 7, 2011, 8:08 pm
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