OJgate: Asking For Orange Juice May Violate Federal Law / AA Investigating FA Helen
Dec 16, 2009, 3:50 pm
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Looks like AA decided against the flight attendant.
http://cbs13.com/local/orange.juice....2.1374256.html
http://cbs13.com/local/orange.juice....2.1374256.html
Dec 16, 2009, 3:59 pm
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FTA:
Slapped on the hand. Possibly a small suspension. Not fired.
As to the flight attendant in question, American has taken specific action related to that employee. Because this is a private personnel matter, we cannot disclose the nature of those actions.
Slapped on the hand. Possibly a small suspension. Not fired.
Dec 16, 2009, 4:02 pm
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Looks like AA decided against the flight attendant.
http://cbs13.com/local/orange.juice....2.1374256.html
http://cbs13.com/local/orange.juice....2.1374256.html
American Airlines has been in communication with those customers who were most directly affected by this incident. During that communication, we have apologized to them and taken other appropriate steps. In addition, we apologize to any customer who was inconvenienced by this situation. As to the flight attendant in question, American has taken specific action related to that employee. Because this is a private personnel matter, we cannot disclose the nature of those actions.
1) I'm guessing "other appropriate steps" include a non-disclosure agreement so we will never know what those include... however, I suspect it does include getting OJ guy off of the blogosphere and TV sets.
2) Helen... there's absolutely nothing AA can discuss relating to her.
Oh well...
PS. Thanks dstan for the commentary. It's much appreciated.
Dec 16, 2009, 4:06 pm
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Tim Smith referred to her an an employee and not a former employee. That is all the news I take out of that article. My guess is that with union rules an FA cannot move from employee to former employee very quickly --- even in cases where AA would feel this is warranted. I don't know, however, if this is even one of those cases.
Dec 16, 2009, 4:09 pm
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Dec 16, 2009, 4:13 pm
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Dec 16, 2009, 4:32 pm
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Woo-hoo!!! My prophecy is coming true!!!
1) I'm guessing "other appropriate steps" include a non-disclosure agreement so we will never know what those include... however, I suspect it does include getting OJ guy off of the blogosphere and TV sets.
2) Helen... there's absolutely nothing AA can discuss relating to her.
Oh well...
PS. Thanks dstan for the commentary. It's much appreciated.
1) I'm guessing "other appropriate steps" include a non-disclosure agreement so we will never know what those include... however, I suspect it does include getting OJ guy off of the blogosphere and TV sets.
2) Helen... there's absolutely nothing AA can discuss relating to her.
Oh well...
PS. Thanks dstan for the commentary. It's much appreciated.
Dec 16, 2009, 5:05 pm
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Just think it's funny to jump to conclusions and state them as fact. If they're in the process of firing her they'd likely say the exact same thing.
Dec 16, 2009, 5:19 pm
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(By the way, I'm not even saying I think you're wrong- just randomly speculating,and getting testy when caught out for it.)
Cheers.
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Dec 16, 2009, 5:40 pm
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Dec 16, 2009, 5:44 pm
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Delta Offers Gold Status To Victims Of Pyschotic American Airlines Stewardess
IMHO, this ceased to be strictly a internal AA issue when it escalated up to including the FAA with the warning. In the TV interviews I never got any indication that the OJ pax was saying DYKWIA. He was defending her assertion that he didn't know the procedures for breakfast service. I believe he was simply quoting his extensive travel on AA to support his claim that her reaction dumbfounded him. This pax has a HUGE stake in the outcome because he could be put on a no-fly list by just AA or, even worse, be a target by the TSA when he tries to fly any airline. I would want to clear my name especially if I felt I 1) had always maintained an appropriate composure, 2) protected myself from being mis-quoted by refusing to go to the privacy of the front galley, and 3) make my living in a job that requires flying.
Seems like many players want to protect her ability to earn a living. What about his ability to earn a living?
One other note he made in the TV interview. If she was accusing him of being a possible threat (which the pilot supported by issuing the warning) why then would she invite him, alone, up to an area very close to the cockpit door? Wouldn't she be at risk being alone with an "threatening" passenger? She is her own worst enemy because this alone shows she never considered him a threat to the flight.
IMHO, this ceased to be strictly a internal AA issue when it escalated up to including the FAA with the warning. In the TV interviews I never got any indication that the OJ pax was saying DYKWIA. He was defending her assertion that he didn't know the procedures for breakfast service. I believe he was simply quoting his extensive travel on AA to support his claim that her reaction dumbfounded him. This pax has a HUGE stake in the outcome because he could be put on a no-fly list by just AA or, even worse, be a target by the TSA when he tries to fly any airline. I would want to clear my name especially if I felt I 1) had always maintained an appropriate composure, 2) protected myself from being mis-quoted by refusing to go to the privacy of the front galley, and 3) make my living in a job that requires flying.
Seems like many players want to protect her ability to earn a living. What about his ability to earn a living?
One other note he made in the TV interview. If she was accusing him of being a possible threat (which the pilot supported by issuing the warning) why then would she invite him, alone, up to an area very close to the cockpit door? Wouldn't she be at risk being alone with an "threatening" passenger? She is her own worst enemy because this alone shows she never considered him a threat to the flight.
Dec 16, 2009, 6:07 pm
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Maybe, maybe not about the NDA and getting off the blogosphere. I don't know about OJ guy himself but Dave Koss, the one who originally publicized the incident, has not updated his web page to indicate that AA has resolved it NOR has he removed his unflattering portrayal of American.
Dec 16, 2009, 6:09 pm
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Way to stay classy Delta. Should AA offer Gold status and send out a press release to those passengers on the DL/NW flight that overshot MSP by 100 miles or to the passengers on the DL plane that landed on the taxi way? Rhetorical question, I don't think that AA should stoop to Delta's level.
Dec 16, 2009, 6:09 pm
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Only on QANTAS... 
I think folks here are going to have to rely on a bit of patience and allow for some due process. I rather suspect with all the pufflicity AA will walk tippy toe for a few days.
All in all, I am surprised - pleasantly - several other pax were willing to stand up and be counted, to provide input in such a situation. (The fact they did for the OJ flyer provides an implication he was right / she was wrong, but we don't know that at this point.)
I think folks here are going to have to rely on a bit of patience and allow for some due process. I rather suspect with all the pufflicity AA will walk tippy toe for a few days.
All in all, I am surprised - pleasantly - several other pax were willing to stand up and be counted, to provide input in such a situation. (The fact they did for the OJ flyer provides an implication he was right / she was wrong, but we don't know that at this point.)
Dec 16, 2009, 6:14 pm
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Way to stay classy Delta. Should AA offer Gold status and send out a press release to those passengers on the DL/NW flight that overshot MSP by 100 miles or to the passengers on the DL plane that landed on the taxi way? Rhetorical question, I don't think that AA should stoop to Delta's level.Here: American Airlines sues NY exec over Delta jump