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From ANA's website "The All New A380: Transforming ANA Travel to Hawaii"
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/promotions/airbus380/?cid=anaustop201812358

Great video of the A380 paintwork, from Airbus: https://youtu.be/wndab27nF8E
The first roll out, also from Airbus: https://youtu.be/ayQC68K9UhA

ANA Unveils the Features of its Honolulu Lounge (for the A 380)
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-nippon-airways-ana-mileage-club/1912260-ana-unveils-features-its-honolulu-lounge-380-a.html
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Last February, I flew ANA from ORD to NRT. On the return, I decided to make
a stop in HNL.(then fly UA from HNL back to ORD) On the ANA flight to HNL,
I was expecting it to be almost completely filled with Japanese tourists who
wanted some Hawaiian sun. Boy, was I wrong, more than half of the plane
was filled with Chinese tourists on escorted tours. I guess they flew ANA from
Shanghai/Beijing and connect to the HNL flight. It must not have been some
random thing because ANA even had Mandarin Chinese speaking CAs to deal
with the Chinese passengers.

Perhaps the A380 can help ANA ferry more Chinese tourists to HNL?
It can it can, I was being a bit less than specific.... My challenge is the currently Haneda does not allow A380, and as mentioned upnthread due to the wake turbulence, so not that likely to change. Narita is no problem.
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
It can it can, I was being a bit less than specific.... My challenge is the currently Haneda does not allow A380, and as mentioned upnthread due to the wake turbulence, so not that likely to change. Narita is no problem.
I thought the A380 ban at Haneda did not apply after midnight?
ANA can just schedule the flight for 12:01AM. (which will get
the passengers to HNL just after lunch)
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
I thought the A380 ban at Haneda did not apply after midnight?
ANA can just schedule the flight for 12:01AM. (which will get
the passengers to HNL just after lunch)
I thought it was pretty complete. But interesting loophole, how much down time in HNL would it require to return in the wee hours of the day?
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Old Feb 1, 2016, 5:02 pm
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If I recall correctly, night time at HND starts at 11 pm and ends at 6 am. NH 186 HND-HNL leaves HND at 10:35 pm and arrives in HNL at 10:35 am. Slide the departure by 30 minutes and you have a 11:05 pm departure and an 11:05 am arrival. Should be feasible and supported by HND as it frees the 10:35 pm slot and adds an unused night time slot to the schedule.
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The current US-Japan agreement allows HND flights between 10 pm and 7 am. Departures to the US mainland must be after midnight, but Hawaii flights can depart anytime after 10 pm.
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Old Feb 1, 2016, 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
I thought the A380 ban at Haneda did not apply after midnight?
I have read in a few places that the 380 ban is effective from 6 AM to 11 PM. So shift the HNL departure to 23:00 and the 380 should be fine.
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I have read in a few places that the 380 ban is effective from 6 AM to 11 PM. So shift the HNL departure to 23:00 and the 380 should be fine.
or the can fly one of the A380s to Maui or something.
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Shouldn't the title to this thread be modified?
It's no longer a rumor now that ANA has just
confirmed the order for three A380s?

I sincerely hope ANA doesn't configure it
as economy-only because the A380 can
easily seat over 850 passengers. (!!!)
http://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/81333

It will have F and will be configured with 500-600 seats.
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Originally Posted by JALPak
http://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/81333

It will have F and will be configured with 500-600 seats.
oh... "only" 600 seats, so we have nothing to worry about.

Spring 2019 is still 3 years away, so I assume ANA is buy brand new A380s. (not the unwanted ones already built for Skymark or something)

What's interesting is that the article mentioned both Narita and Haneda. Does that mean ANA will pick which airport to use for A380 operations at a later date? Or will it be both airports?

Also... during the first few months, they will most likely use the A380s on shorter domestic or regional routes. That's good for those of us who want to try ANA's A380, but have no need to go all the way to Hawaii.

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Originally Posted by weltfrieden
What's interesting is that the article mentioned both Narita and Haneda. Does that mean ANA will pick which airport to use for A380 operations at a later date? Or will it be both airports?
Both.

Originally Posted by weltfrieden
Also... during the first few months, they will most likely use the A380s on shorter domestic or regional routes. That's good for those of us who want to try ANA's A380, but have no need to go all the way to Hawaii.
Shorter routes are very unlikely since A380s are banned at HND during the day -- the only place and time where the big bird is likely to get a decent load in ANA service.
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Originally Posted by joejones
Shorter routes are very unlikely since A380s are banned at HND during the day -- the only place and time where the big bird is likely to get a decent load in ANA service.
I think the poster meant the "training" flights when they first start service like OZ did with their A380 on some intra-Asia routes.

For one this is very cool. I would like to take the A380 from HNL-TYO and would love a holiday SFO-OGG-HNL-TYO-KIX-SFO.
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Originally Posted by joejones

Shorter routes are very unlikely since A380s are banned at HND during the day -- the only place and time where the big bird is likely to get a decent load in ANA service.

I feel like the banning of the A380s was done on purpose by the Japanese to outweigh competition. Since ANA nor JAL flies the a380.

This keeps it's A380 competitors out of the lanes.
i.e. KE, OZ, SQ, EK, CZ, LH, and etc.

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Old Feb 2, 2016, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by TennisNoob
I feel like the banning of the A380s was done on purpose by the Japanese to outweigh competition. Since ANA nor JAL flies the a380.

This keeps it's A380 competitors out of the lanes.
i.e. KE, OZ, SQ, EK, CZ, LH, and etc.
I doubt it. Narita was one of the very early airports to open for A380s. Lufthansa did get permission for the 747-8 in HND, after a bit of a wait admittedly.

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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
I doubt it. Narita was one of the very early airports to open for A380s. Lufthansa did get permission for the 747-8 in HND, after a bit of a wait admittedly.
The original post referred to Haneda being closed to the A380, not Narita, where at least AF, LH, MH and TG have flown the A380. A smart move by Japan was to make the new slots in Haneda subject to continuing service to Narita, meaning that AF and LH substituted a daily A380 flight to Narita into two daily flights with A340/748 or 777, one into Haneda and one into Narita.
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Originally Posted by lovejapan
The original post referred to Haneda being closed to the A380, not Narita, where at least AF, LH, MH and TG have flown the A380. A smart move by Japan was to make the new slots in Haneda subject to continuing service to Narita, meaning that AF and LH substituted a daily A380 flight to Narita into two daily flights with A340/748 or 777, one into Haneda and one into Narita.
I love Japan but they always seem to have some crazy ideas. What's the deal
with hardcore porn with the important parts covered up by mosaic? Same
thing with Narita. Nobody really "wants" to fly into Narita. Just get over the
fact that Narita is an unpopular airport... add two more 10000-ft runways
at Haneda by extending the airport further into Tokyo Bay already.
(runways 1R/19R and 1L/19L and add a new terminal 3 in the middle))

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