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[Consolidated] ANA A380 discussion (was Rumor: ANA buying A380s?)

[Consolidated] ANA A380 discussion (was Rumor: ANA buying A380s?)

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From ANA's website "The All New A380: Transforming ANA Travel to Hawaii"
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/promotio...ustop201812358

Great video of the A380 paintwork, from Airbus: https://youtu.be/wndab27nF8E
The first roll out, also from Airbus: https://youtu.be/ayQC68K9UhA

ANA Unveils the Features of its Honolulu Lounge (for the A 380)
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/all-...nge-380-a.html
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Old Aug 5, 15, 8:39 pm
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[Consolidated] ANA A380 discussion (was Rumor: ANA buying A380s?)

Sources are saying that this was a factor in Airbus's decision to support ANA's proposal to bail out Skymark, thus keeping Delta (a much bigger Airbus customer) from picking up a Japanese partner.

In the Nikkei:

The odds began to move in ANA's favor late last month when the company made a promise to Airbus of future aircraft orders, carefully couched so as not to trigger a disclosure requirement, people familiar with the matter said.

It is unclear how many or what model ANA pledged to buy. But a likely choice is the A380 superjumbo jet, which Skymark had planned to fly on international routes before its finances took a turn for the worse. With a catalog price of roughly $430 million, the A380 ranks as Airbus' top-of-the-line model, though it has proven unpopular among international carriers. Airbus has been pitching the double-decker, wide-body jet aggressively.
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I believe it is to take over the Skymark's 380 that had already been built, which is just 2 planes. However, it is a possibility that NH may just trade in the 2 380 with Boeing in exchange for more 788/789 or even 777X (Boeing can also act as a plane leasing company, like SQ in the past had traded in their 343 in exchange for 77W)

If you are talking about NH is going to buy more Airbus models, NH already has an order for A320NEO.
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Old Aug 5, 15, 9:09 pm
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I don't know who you would get to lease a pair of A380s -- EK is the only candidate that comes to mind.
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Old Aug 6, 15, 2:27 am
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Originally Posted by joejones View Post
I don't know who you would get to lease a pair of A380s -- EK is the only candidate that comes to mind.
TK has also been rumored at various times to be interested in A380s
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Old Aug 6, 15, 3:12 am
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It would make sense that TK takes the A380s.

I think NH is doing it as an bluff or to hold off DL from getting them.

NH made the decision to back off the 747s and definitely would not want to engage into the a380s.

NH bought 777-300ER's to replace it's 747s and 787s to replace it's 767s and routes that do not require such large aircraft.

On the other side I really hope ANA takes in the A380s. I'm worried NH is going to phase out F in the next decades based on it's latest configuration patterns with the 777 and especially the 787.
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It would make sense that TK takes the A380s.
IST cannot handle the A380.
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Old Aug 6, 15, 3:54 am
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And, it should be added, neither can HND.

I *could* imagine ANA operating A380s, but they would need more than two -- probably Skymark's full allotment of six. My best guess is that they would put the 380s on NRT-LAX/JFK and try to squash the competition on cost and service quality. Perhaps rotate the aircraft to SIN/BKK/HKG/PEK/PVG as well. One can dream.
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
IST cannot handle the A380.
My bad, was jet lagged after some long flying.

I thought it said TG. TG would be an good fit to replace those 747s

Originally Posted by joejones View Post
And, it should be added, neither can HND.

I *could* imagine ANA operating A380s, but they would need more than two -- probably Skymark's full allotment of six. My best guess is that they would put the 380s on NRT-LAX/JFK and try to squash the competition on cost and service quality. Perhaps rotate the aircraft to SIN/BKK/HKG/PEK/PVG as well. One can dream.
You think it could be an slot reasoning too? Not only to keep DL out but also to not expand JALs slots?
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Originally Posted by TennisNoob View Post
It would make sense that TK takes the A380s.

I think NH is doing it as an bluff or to hold off DL from getting them.

NH made the decision to back off the 747s and definitely would not want to engage into the a380s.

NH bought 777-300ER's to replace it's 747s and 787s to replace it's 767s and routes that do not require such large aircraft.

On the other side I really hope ANA takes in the A380s. I'm worried NH is going to phase out F in the next decades based on it's latest configuration patterns with the 777 and especially the 787.
All the new 77W have been coming with F so I do not see a concern from that part of the fleet. It can maybe worry a bit that the 787-9 comes without F. The big question will be what happens with the 777X but that is still quite far down the road to guess. I don't fear F going away, but it will definitely be very targeted on specific markets.
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Originally Posted by joejones View Post
And, it should be added, neither can HND.

I *could* imagine ANA operating A380s, but they would need more than two -- probably Skymark's full allotment of six. My best guess is that they would put the 380s on NRT-LAX/JFK and try to squash the competition on cost and service quality. Perhaps rotate the aircraft to SIN/BKK/HKG/PEK/PVG as well. One can dream.
The A380 is permitted at HND during the evening slots, IIRC.
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Old Aug 7, 15, 2:00 am
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Sure, but how do you fill an A380 at midnight, and where do you send it? ANA can barely fill a 772 to LAX.
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If NH takes Skymark's A380s, sells the a380s, do they get all the slots SkyMark had?
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Originally Posted by TennisNoob View Post
If NH takes Skymark's A380s, sells the a380s, do they get all the slots SkyMark had?
As far as I read the plan, Skymark will continue to exist as a carrier, with ANA as a minority shareholder. So no, NH will not get the slots.
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IST cannot handle the A380.
Won't the new airport be able to? What is the ETA on that...or is at BER type thing?
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Originally Posted by TennisNoob View Post
My bad, was jet lagged after some long flying.

I thought it said TG. TG would be an good fit to replace those 747s
TG is in a majoring restructuring, 10 747 will retire by year end, and the possibility of selling some A380. TG already has 77W to replace 744, not to mention Rome and LAX is going to cancel, that further free up its widebodies.
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