I wish ANA would fly to... [route speculation]
Nov 13, 2014, 1:08 am
#33
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NH currently serves NRT-DUS daily with Boeing 787-8.
Well this is a dream thread so I won't beat u....
However do not expect any of them to have F, less HKT which is not served at all (remember F class is overall declining around the world)
Cheers
Michael
Well this is a dream thread so I won't beat u....
However do not expect any of them to have F, less HKT which is not served at all (remember F class is overall declining around the world)Cheers
Michael
Nov 13, 2014, 3:29 pm
#34
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Do we know this for a fact. I would guess the number of international First Class ASMs is increasing.
Nov 13, 2014, 11:30 pm
#35
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), but to answer your question, apart from MEB3 which is simply dumping whatever they can dump, everyone else is reducing F or totally eliminating it (read DL, NZ & AC). I read somewhere once that BA said F is the leaset earning class, and BA is one of the major players in F market (given its hub location, obviously). Others like LH and AF are also removing F class on many of its long-haul fleets. This is just to give you some example on how F class actually performs.Cheers
Michael
Nov 14, 2014, 7:36 am
#36
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A bit off topic (so don't shoot me ), but to answer your question, apart from MEB3 which is simply dumping whatever they can dump, everyone else is reducing F or totally eliminating it (read DL, NZ & AC). I read somewhere once that BA said F is the leaset earning class, and BA is one of the major players in F market (given its hub location, obviously). Others like LH and AF are also removing F class on many of its long-haul fleets. This is just to give you some example on how F class actually performs.
Cheers
Michael
), but to answer your question, apart from MEB3 which is simply dumping whatever they can dump, everyone else is reducing F or totally eliminating it (read DL, NZ & AC). I read somewhere once that BA said F is the leaset earning class, and BA is one of the major players in F market (given its hub location, obviously). Others like LH and AF are also removing F class on many of its long-haul fleets. This is just to give you some example on how F class actually performs.Cheers
Michael
Nov 14, 2014, 8:45 am
#37
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I don't think DL, NZ or AC are reducing international F capacity. Since they currently (and for quite some time) have had zero F capacity, they can't possibly be reducing it. We're seeing some removal of aircraft with F seating (e.g. 747s, 340s), but I would be surprised if this was greater than the increase from new 380s, 777s, etc. As I said, I don't know for a fact so I'd be curious to see actual numbers.
Nov 14, 2014, 7:11 pm
#39
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All,
Let's try to keep this thread on topic -- that is, new routes we'd like to see launched by ANA. Discussion of a reduction in F service by various carriers should take place in their respective fora, or the Star Alliance forum.
- armagebedar
ANA forum moderator
Let's try to keep this thread on topic -- that is, new routes we'd like to see launched by ANA. Discussion of a reduction in F service by various carriers should take place in their respective fora, or the Star Alliance forum.
- armagebedar
ANA forum moderator
Nov 14, 2014, 7:21 pm
#40
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For me, if they aren't going to put F in, there are NO new routes that I'd like to see them launch.
Nov 14, 2014, 8:19 pm
#41
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OK. So does anyone know how many international F seats NH has across the fleet now compared to 5 years ago.... and how many F seats they have on new international routes..... and whether the trend (up or down) is likely to continue on new routes that we would like to see them launch.
For me, if they aren't going to put F in, there are NO new routes that I'd like to see them launch.
For me, if they aren't going to put F in, there are NO new routes that I'd like to see them launch.
The trend depend on when you take the data point. The 747 had more F seats than 77W, and were retired about 5-6 years ago. The long haul fleet has been expanded since then so there are probably a few more F seats now than 5 years ago (but there must be a point of before all the 747s were gone, that there were a couple more F seats than now). However, with the 787s lacking F, F seats are a lower % of total seats and more international routes have no F than before.
If the new 77W deliveries next year have F, there will surely be a couple of new routes/frequencies with F and I would guess that would translate to the largest ever number of proper F seats NH has had in its fleet.
Nov 14, 2014, 8:28 pm
#42
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According to the ever-useful master thread, ANA has 19 77Ws (with 3 more due next year) - so that's 152 F seats (presumably 176 next year).
The trend depend on when you take the data point. The 747 had more F seats than 77W, and were retired about 5-6 years ago. The long haul fleet has been expanded since then so there are probably a few more F seats now than 5 years ago (but there must be a point of before all the 747s were gone, that there were a couple more F seats than now). However, with the 787s lacking F, F seats are a lower % of total seats and more international routes have no F than before.
If the new 77W deliveries next year have F, there will surely be a couple of new routes/frequencies with F and I would guess that would translate to the largest ever number of proper F seats NH has had in its fleet.
The trend depend on when you take the data point. The 747 had more F seats than 77W, and were retired about 5-6 years ago. The long haul fleet has been expanded since then so there are probably a few more F seats now than 5 years ago (but there must be a point of before all the 747s were gone, that there were a couple more F seats than now). However, with the 787s lacking F, F seats are a lower % of total seats and more international routes have no F than before.
If the new 77W deliveries next year have F, there will surely be a couple of new routes/frequencies with F and I would guess that would translate to the largest ever number of proper F seats NH has had in its fleet.
Back to topic, anyone knows how's the rumour of adding IST & AMS going?
Dec 11, 2014, 7:48 am
#43
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Houston has been announced. One more US destination still to be announced:
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...medium=twitter
PDX has been discussed.
Is it LAS?
DEN?
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...medium=twitter
PDX has been discussed.
Is it LAS?
DEN?
Dec 20, 2014, 1:21 pm
#45
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I wouldn't know for sure if its in NH's long term plans and JL had the advantage of being the first to show up. There's pros and cons for starting it.
Pros:
Have right aircraft 787
Star Alliance frequent fliers in BOS (UA/LH/TK)
Future traffic growth in Asia from BOS (especially secondary China)
NH serves different markets from NRT than JL
B6 feed (NH and B6 are now interline partners)
Cons:
Terminal E in BOS is getting crowded may not be able to get ideal times
Limitations of NRT hub as compared to HKG or ICN
Other Asia flights mentioned above
You also have, HU successfully running BOS-PEK, CX starting BOS-HKG in 2015, and the looming spectors of some sort of BOS-PVG flight and BOS-ICN on KE once they get 789's.
JL retimed their flights to get more connections as well.
The Boston-Tokyo market was about 135 PDEW in 2013 and probably bumped up slightly in 2014 with a stable daily offering (no 787 issues). I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it but why did they enter a potentially overserved IAH over BOS which has more O&D traffic.
Pros:
Have right aircraft 787
Star Alliance frequent fliers in BOS (UA/LH/TK)
Future traffic growth in Asia from BOS (especially secondary China)
NH serves different markets from NRT than JL
B6 feed (NH and B6 are now interline partners)
Cons:
Terminal E in BOS is getting crowded may not be able to get ideal times
Limitations of NRT hub as compared to HKG or ICN
Other Asia flights mentioned above
You also have, HU successfully running BOS-PEK, CX starting BOS-HKG in 2015, and the looming spectors of some sort of BOS-PVG flight and BOS-ICN on KE once they get 789's.
JL retimed their flights to get more connections as well.
The Boston-Tokyo market was about 135 PDEW in 2013 and probably bumped up slightly in 2014 with a stable daily offering (no 787 issues). I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it but why did they enter a potentially overserved IAH over BOS which has more O&D traffic.