Earning on DL for W Class (C+)..?
Jul 20, 2016, 4:44 pm
#136
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And that's basically what my point was (as supported by the comment above from AS social media)....they WILL give credit for the underlying fare if you are upgraded into C+ (W class), but not if you book W directly which is why the website doesn't give an earning percentage for W--it refers specifically to the underlying fare.
Jul 20, 2016, 5:28 pm
#137
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LBJ is right, you can book a W fare with a W fare basis. You'd have to try really hard to do it! As he noted, if you select a close-in request and choose Y as your lowest fare, it will spit out a W with a W0 fare basis, which is double in price than the Q fare basis fare you'd get without forcing the Y lowest fare.
So, while it's possible to do, I don't think we'll see many AS MP members running into it!
So, while it's possible to do, I don't think we'll see many AS MP members running into it!
Jul 20, 2016, 5:48 pm
#138
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Well you are right, but avoiding those fares shouldn't be that tough considering how expensive they are. Unless you need it to be refundable and unwilling to pay the extra few bucks for a refundable first class ticket it doesn't seem like there is any reason to buy it.
I only checked one random flight, but a premium economy fare on DL and VS booked into X class. Might be where they do publish one very expensive fare for W class. In any case, something to watch out for, but most people aren't going to be buying W fares directly.
I only checked one random flight, but a premium economy fare on DL and VS booked into X class. Might be where they do publish one very expensive fare for W class. In any case, something to watch out for, but most people aren't going to be buying W fares directly.
Jul 28, 2016, 6:43 pm
#139
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No Soup for You!
So ….further to my previous post (# 77), I received the following response from Mileage Plan. Anything [bold] is mine.
………………..
Hi [Frequentlander],
Thank you for contacting Alaska Airlines Customer Care and providing your
travel documents.
At this time, Delta will not award miles to your Mileage Plan account if the
flight segments are booked in Comfort + W class of service. If this impacts
your elite status this year, we can review with you in December.
Sincerely,
[Janice from Accounting]
Customer Care
Alaska Airlines
………………….
So it seems that DL are not playing nice but if it affects status AS are willing to do something if the lost points result in falling short the next status gate.
Can’t say I’m happy about this. As it happens I had pretty much no choice than to fly DL on that particular trip because of timings but loosing out on that many points sure stings a bit. I’ll pay much closer attention next time and maybe DL are going to miss out on a small slice of revenue.
………………..
Hi [Frequentlander],
Thank you for contacting Alaska Airlines Customer Care and providing your
travel documents.
At this time, Delta will not award miles to your Mileage Plan account if the
flight segments are booked in Comfort + W class of service. If this impacts
your elite status this year, we can review with you in December.
Sincerely,
[Janice from Accounting]
Customer Care
Alaska Airlines
………………….
So it seems that DL are not playing nice but if it affects status AS are willing to do something if the lost points result in falling short the next status gate.
Can’t say I’m happy about this. As it happens I had pretty much no choice than to fly DL on that particular trip because of timings but loosing out on that many points sure stings a bit. I’ll pay much closer attention next time and maybe DL are going to miss out on a small slice of revenue.
Jul 28, 2016, 8:50 pm
#140
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So ….further to my previous post (# 77), I received the following response from Mileage Plan. Anything [bold] is mine.
………………..
Hi [Frequentlander],
Thank you for contacting Alaska Airlines Customer Care and providing your
travel documents.
At this time, Delta will not award miles to your Mileage Plan account if the
flight segments are booked in Comfort + W class of service. If this impacts
your elite status this year, we can review with you in December.
Sincerely,
[Janice from Accounting]
Customer Care
Alaska Airlines
………………….
So it seems that DL are not playing nice but if it affects status AS are willing to do something if the lost points result in falling short the next status gate.
Can’t say I’m happy about this. As it happens I had pretty much no choice than to fly DL on that particular trip because of timings but loosing out on that many points sure stings a bit. I’ll pay much closer attention next time and maybe DL are going to miss out on a small slice of revenue.
………………..
Hi [Frequentlander],
Thank you for contacting Alaska Airlines Customer Care and providing your
travel documents.
At this time, Delta will not award miles to your Mileage Plan account if the
flight segments are booked in Comfort + W class of service. If this impacts
your elite status this year, we can review with you in December.
Sincerely,
[Janice from Accounting]
Customer Care
Alaska Airlines
………………….
So it seems that DL are not playing nice but if it affects status AS are willing to do something if the lost points result in falling short the next status gate.
Can’t say I’m happy about this. As it happens I had pretty much no choice than to fly DL on that particular trip because of timings but loosing out on that many points sure stings a bit. I’ll pay much closer attention next time and maybe DL are going to miss out on a small slice of revenue.
Curious if you could give some more details? Did you buy an upgrade to W, or select W at booking.
Jul 28, 2016, 9:20 pm
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I book through an agent. I'm self employed and the TA saves me a lot of time and effort. I ask for "premium eco" whatever airline I'm on, unless I can get a biz class fare for a reasonable price. She booked me the W fare.
Jul 29, 2016, 7:01 am
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If it was booked as a true W fare for example international premium economy it could truly be a W base fare vs a coach fare that happens to confirm in W due to the seat in C+ section of the Y cabin.
Jul 29, 2016, 11:55 am
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I think that must be the problem here...they were pretty clear that it was DL that wasn't going to allow AS mileage credit if the underlying fare was W, but it sounds like upgrades to C+ will still get credit.
Jul 29, 2016, 7:50 pm
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If the underlying fare is W, or you get someone at AS who doesn't realize the base fare was not W like in your case. Ive tried various combinations to try to force a W as the underlying fare. So far the only true W I have found is a codeshare operated by an international partner (who has a true premium economy cabin) or a DL leg connecting to one of those. I tried some BOS-LHR operated by DL that were selling as "premium economy" instead of "Comfort+" and it was X as the underlying fare. My impression all along is the primary reason they chose W is so they had a way to sell connecting service to an international partner itin. I'm fairly certain at some point this will be pushed out to DL TPAC/TATL metal and after that to domestic.
Jul 29, 2016, 8:28 pm
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If the underlying fare is W, or you get someone at AS who doesn't realize the base fare was not W like in your case. Ive tried various combinations to try to force a W as the underlying fare. So far the only true W I have found is a codeshare operated by an international partner (who has a true premium economy cabin) or a DL leg connecting to one of those. I tried some BOS-LHR operated by DL that were selling as "premium economy" instead of "Comfort+" and it was X as the underlying fare. My impression all along is the primary reason they chose W is so they had a way to sell connecting service to an international partner itin. I'm fairly certain at some point this will be pushed out to DL TPAC/TATL metal and after that to domestic.
Jul 29, 2016, 9:13 pm
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My ticket was bought on DL. Yes it was from YVR into the US so it was international but should that really make any difference? Two of the four segments were intra US. My gripe with AS is that I bought a premium fare (it certainly wasn't cheap) on one of their partners but I didn't get any MP miles value from it.
Jul 29, 2016, 9:33 pm
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Delta fare construction ...
https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...structure.html
and some discussion starting in post #12 in this thread in the Delta forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...107-fares.html
https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...structure.html
and some discussion starting in post #12 in this thread in the Delta forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...107-fares.html
Jul 29, 2016, 10:41 pm
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Anyone?
Jul 30, 2016, 7:42 am
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Delta fare construction ...
https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...structure.html
and some discussion starting in post #12 in this thread in the Delta forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...107-fares.html
https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...structure.html
and some discussion starting in post #12 in this thread in the Delta forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...107-fares.html
Jul 30, 2016, 8:06 am
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My ticket was bought on DL. Yes it was from YVR into the US so it was international but should that really make any difference? Two of the four segments were intra US. My gripe with AS is that I bought a premium fare (it certainly wasn't cheap) on one of their partners but I didn't get any MP miles value from it.
I haven't really been watching the DL forums since I had been focusing on AA for Intl. So looks like this isnt actually implimented yet or is it test routes> i checked BOS-LHR and could only find C+ or Y+ for sale on itin's with overwater flight on a partner. Although sadly i was trying to see if i could find a W fare on BOS-LAX and noticed they even have Basic economy E fares on transcons.
Last edited by CDKing; Jul 30, 2016 at 8:14 am