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Between 1 September 2013 and 31 March 2018 the co-branded Gold & Platinum Flying Blue American Express cards also gave you Level Miles for purchases at AF/KL.

The Gold card will give you 1.5 Level Miles & Award Miles for AF/KL purchases; the Platinum card will give you 2 Level Miles & Award miles for AF/KL purchases.

As of 31 March 2018 the Flying Blue American Express co-cards give the main cardholder additional XP's when reaching the membership anniversary:
  • Silver: 15XP;
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Old Sep 1, 2021 | 6:45 am
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Originally Posted by emviflyer
About validation: Because of the type of questions (salary???, Bankaccount number ???) we have chosen for a personal visit by a rep. This visit lasted 2 minutes. No problem.
Personal visit: I asked for it - not possible as we are living in Belgium, they only do this in NL.
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Bank statements: Included a date, but not the address, rejected.
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Originally Posted by emviflyer
I have gotten a VISA Infinite card from a French bank that offers travel insurance, half price of AMEX, but no miles of course. Interestingly also via AXA.
have you checked the terms+conditions of both to compare at least ? Can be interesting to show how (i guess) amex signed a very bad deal with AXA (for end users of course)
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Old Sep 2, 2021 | 2:46 am
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Originally Posted by fifty_two
have you checked the terms+conditions of both to compare at least ? Can be interesting to show how (i guess) amex signed a very bad deal with AXA (for end users of course)

I did not do a word for word comparison, but the travel related cover is similar to what AMEX-NL offers. As AMEX cancelled travel only, I am only interested in travel because due to COVID restrictions I can not return home to the Far East, but I do move around in Europe.
As far as car rental VISA is much more liberal than AMEX in that car rental does not need to be part of a trip, as long as it is taken at a certain distance from the residence. The avoided extra car insurances have already balanced my yearly VISA fee.

I agree that we are probably not getting the best T&C from AMEX NL and in my experience from several contact with agents, when I mentioned it, nobody gives a ?!%@ and nobody bothers to mention it to more senior management in AMEX NL.
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Originally Posted by emviflyer
About validation: Because of the type of questions (salary???, Bankaccount number ???) we have chosen for a personal visit by a rep. This visit lasted 2 minutes. No problem.
what do they ask during the personal visit? I personally refuse to provide my salary and more information than just my bank account number (which they already have anyway)
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 2:01 am
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Originally Posted by emviflyer
I have gotten a VISA Infinite card from a French bank that offers travel insurance, half price of AMEX, but no miles of course. Interestingly also via AXA.
Could you tell us with which bank you got the VISA infinite at half the Amex price ?

For car rental insurance, people must be very careful with the insurance provided by AXA on VISA cards: AXA has an exclusion list based on car brands, one must be very careful not to be assigned a car from one of these brands (Infiniti, Lexus, Jeep...)
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by koopa
Could you tell us with which bank you got the VISA infinite at half the Amex price ?

For car rental insurance, people must be very careful with the insurance provided by AXA on VISA cards: AXA has an exclusion list based on car brands, one must be very careful not to be assigned a car from one of these brands (Infiniti, Lexus, Jeep...)
I've been looking at the options in French and bnp has a visa infinite for 340 per year. The only things missing are the XP and miles
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by koopa
Could you tell us with which bank you got the VISA infinite at half the Amex price ?

For car rental insurance, people must be very careful with the insurance provided by AXA on VISA cards: AXA has an exclusion list based on car brands, one must be very careful not to be assigned a car from one of these brands (Infiniti, Lexus, Jeep...)
Very true
But Amex also has limitations as well and some of them surprising. I learned that the hard way with a very average car- a Holden- in NZ two years ago.
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by koopa
Could you tell us with which bank you got the VISA infinite at half the Amex price (...)
BforBank Visa Infinite costs € 200.

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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by bostontraveler
(...) I learned that the hard way with a very average car- a Holden- in NZ two years ago.
What happened?
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 5:09 am
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Originally Posted by carnarvon
What happened?
Damage was not covered by Amex because the car (which is considered luxury in Germany but the lines produced for NZ definitely not)
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You have to be very careful because many cars that are just "average" rank high in terms of theft (I don't know but GMC, Acura or a Dodge Viper are not exactly Ferrari or Maserati ;-)

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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by yno
what do they ask during the personal visit? I personally refuse to provide my salary and more information than just my bank account number (which they already have anyway)
They wanted to see the passport and looked at the telephone bill. That was all.
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Old Sep 4, 2021 | 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by koopa
Could you tell us with which bank you got the VISA infinite at half the Amex price ?

For car rental insurance, people must be very careful with the insurance provided by AXA on VISA cards: AXA has an exclusion list based on car brands, one must be very careful not to be assigned a car from one of these brands (Infiniti, Lexus, Jeep...)

I got my card from HSBC in France.

The T&C only restrict the type of rental companies that can be used. Hertz, Avis etc are OK
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Old Sep 5, 2021 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by bostontraveler
Damage was not covered by Amex because the car (which is considered luxury in Germany but the lines produced for NZ definitely not)
Holden, a luxury brand .

Gee, I rented quite a few in Australia. I did not know that....
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Old Sep 5, 2021 | 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by carnarvon
Holden, a luxury brand .

Gee, I rented quite a few in Australia. I did not know that....
Right?

Neither is Dodge, Acura or GMC but Axa's actuaries apparently think so
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