Master thread : AF new and cancelled routes
Nov 6, 2019, 3:39 am
#76
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And they also announced VLC, but only once weekly. Clearly, this is all linked to this announcement. I expect that they may start some more services from CDG to those Spanish destinations. But it s also possible that UX will retain some form of collaboration with AF (a simple code-share agreement on a few routes), even if out of Skyteam.
I mean AF wants to offer more flights from ORY during holidays when their is less demand on business routes
ORY-GVA was the first route in that sense
Nov 8, 2019, 5:43 am
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Pity that they treat ORY-GVA as a holiday only route. They put it on during the ski season, fine.
But if they want to stand any chance against the TGV, offer flights from ORY! I usually end up flying on easyjet on ORY-GVA, which is still faster door-to-door than TGV (assuming all accelerators, such as OLCI from home, taking cab to the airport and arriving close to departure time, hand luggage only, sitting in front of plane... Taking away all these things the trip can become more than an hour longer and would be in the same range as a TGV journey)
if AF offered ORY-GVA, I'd love to take them
But if they want to stand any chance against the TGV, offer flights from ORY! I usually end up flying on easyjet on ORY-GVA, which is still faster door-to-door than TGV (assuming all accelerators, such as OLCI from home, taking cab to the airport and arriving close to departure time, hand luggage only, sitting in front of plane... Taking away all these things the trip can become more than an hour longer and would be in the same range as a TGV journey)
if AF offered ORY-GVA, I'd love to take them
Nov 15, 2019, 4:14 am
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AF announced ORY-ALG 4 times weekly, adding to the broadening of its offer from ORY (and keeping filing up Aigle Azure slots)
https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/a...-de-paris-orly
https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/a...-de-paris-orly
Nov 18, 2019, 11:42 pm
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They also increase YYZ from 10 to 14 daily (the 10 daily is the reference for S19)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...vice-increase/
Last edited by Goldorak; Nov 18, 2019 at 11:52 pm
Nov 19, 2019, 12:33 am
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Paris CDG-San Francisco will have three flights a day by Air France. All with Premiere, one A388 and two B777-300ERs.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Nov 19, 2019, 7:28 am
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This is new (although it already happened around 10 years ago). This is during the peak summer season. The traffic between France and Québec is really huge (up to 68 weekly flights between CDG/ORY and YUL during S20) + a significant number of flights from/to French province.
They also increase YYZ from 10 to 14 daily (the 10 daily is the reference for S19)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...vice-increase/
They also increase YYZ from 10 to 14 daily (the 10 daily is the reference for S19)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...vice-increase/
Not sure if they will be adding extra bus services to Ottawa and Quebec City?
Nov 19, 2019, 8:29 am
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Well, regarding the Montréal flights over the peak summer season, I think the existing AF342 and AF344 would probably still be the unconfortable, high-density 77W layouts......just the AF340 and AF348 flights seem to be on the 772.
Nov 19, 2019, 3:40 pm
#84
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Paris CDG-San Francisco will have three flights a day by Air France. All with Premiere, one A388 and two B777-300ERs.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Last edited by silver-tls; Nov 20, 2019 at 9:47 am
Nov 20, 2019, 12:22 am
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Paris CDG-San Francisco will have three flights a day by Air France. All with Premiere, one A388 and two B777-300ERs.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Departures from Paris:
10H20
15H55
18H20
Departures from San Francisco:
15H20
20H25
23H00 (with what I guess is the latest arrival into CDG of an Eastbound long haul flight, 18H55)
An interesting observation: I looked up the schedules for a random week, took July 14 and the days before/after and saw how availability on all the A388 flights is "P1 F3" or "P1 F1". Quite odd to see (i) how supposedly so many seats in Premiere are sold that far in advance (ii) only on the A33, as almost all the 777 flights have P4 F3 on most days (iii) there are more seats in F booking class than in P booking class.
Whenever a 77W is scheduled, it is currently showing P0F0 during the summer.
Some days have 772.
I assume that the schedule is not finalized and AF is cautious not to sell F.
... that is as long as they are served with 772 / 77W with BEST (or 789).
Dec 9, 2019, 5:24 pm
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ROB - Monrovia
AF is restarting ROB from 20/04/2020. I believe the route was interrupted during the Ebola outbreak.
It will be a 5 weekly triangular service with BKO, so either CDG-BKO-ROB-CDG or CDG-ROB-BKO-CDG depending on the day. Aircraft = A332.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/a...vec-air-france
It will be a 5 weekly triangular service with BKO, so either CDG-BKO-ROB-CDG or CDG-ROB-BKO-CDG depending on the day. Aircraft = A332.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/fr/a...vec-air-france
Jan 4, 2020, 3:27 am
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A very strange seasonal (summer) suspension of 2 routes: BES-AMS and CFE-AMS will be suspended during the entire 2020 IATA summer season, for 30/03 to 25/10.
When I say strange, it's because during the summer period instead of the traditional winter suspensions. But I believe this is due to better slots use at AMS or better aircraft use.
Edit 22 JAN 2020 : last CFE-AMS flight is on 1st March.
Edit 29 JAN 2020 : last BES-AMS flight is on 29 Feb.
When I say strange, it's because during the summer period instead of the traditional winter suspensions. But I believe this is due to better slots use at AMS or better aircraft use.
Edit 22 JAN 2020 : last CFE-AMS flight is on 1st March.
Edit 29 JAN 2020 : last BES-AMS flight is on 29 Feb.
Last edited by Goldorak; Jan 28, 2020 at 11:53 pm Reason: edit end date for both routes
Jan 8, 2020, 11:54 pm
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I didn’t see any announcement, but indeed I don’t see any flight in December for a dummy booking. Maybe the flights have not be loaded yet.