Goldorak

I wouldn't mind at all

Ahhh yes the famous P fare from JNB to EZE !!!

bostontraveler

Don't laugh but when I lived in Argentina there was no route to South Africa and I did exactly that... in J though, and in a recliner... it was the mid/late 90s :-)

The good thing back then was you sure got a TON of miles.... my motivation then (and maybe a little now too lol)

bostontraveler

You never know in places with huge inequality... it could be surprising...Though there is only so much Krug you can drink in an hour

Sounds like a good mileage run to me... JNB-MPM-JNB-MPM in P a few times in a month :-)

bostontraveler

I guess that means they finally gave up on repatriating their profits.

Only European flights left will be TAP. Turkish and Air Europa if I'm not mistaken. Heck, even Iran Air discontinued flights...!

Goldorak

Not sure AF will have traffic rights between JNB and MPM.

bostontraveler

I would be surprised if not... they have fifth freedom rights... but we shall see.

That said, they haven't filed fares yet from JNB to MPM... and the flight doesn't appear so you may be correct.

offvoice

A bit off-topic :
La Premiere market to/from Africa might be strong from arguably unexpected places. I remember doing a couple of roundtrips back in my FA days (about 10 years ago) to LBV: F was always filled, and not by Total PAX, but by Gabonese (government people mainly).

They usually have the option of either flying private or LP (which is way cheaper than chartering a private jet). Though not the poorest country in the region, that's still only about 1m people. The ratio population/LP seats available was really not that bad

Peculiar fun fact: I once had a PAX in P from LBV purchasing the entire Duty-free trolley and asking me whether he could buy the actual trolley as it would make it easier to transport everything he just bought... Fun and sad at the same time I guess.

maalloc

In addition to its recent re-capitalisation, AFKL announced today a strengthened partnership with China Eastern

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/air-...ir-partnership

While details are still scarce, we should see "an intensified commercial cooperation and an extended collaboration to noncommercial related activities (e.g. ground services, catering or maintenance) [and] an increased footprint on the Beijing market".

Not sure how ground service cooperation will impact pax, but we could expect more CDG/AMS-PEK rotations through code-sharing when the Covid dust settles.

Nayef

Seasonal Denver-Paris CDG to launch on July 2nd.

AshleyB

This is very unlikely to happen this year or even next year, thus rendering the announcement a pointless PR puff. Such a route is not sustainable when used only by a handful of French (and maybe a few other EU nationals) expats living in Colorado. It looks very much like no Schengen travel for third countries (i.e. the US) for the remainder of this year. Most realistic planning is proceeding on this basis. The summer tourist season in France will once again be exclusively EU and UK nationals with a few additions such as Singapore and Japan. The real question for AFKL is how to downsize the business enough to preserve a skeleton long haul service for expat French communities while trying to stop the haemorrhage of funds (state supported). Since long haul is unlikely to see any improvement before mid-2022 (and N. America probably longer) there will probably be far more destinations being cut than opened in the months to come.

NickB

It looks like AF is introducing a seasonal 5xweekly flight between NCE and LHR (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, Sun) in July and August. Seems to be economy only, i.e. similar to the former 'bases de province' type flights.

Goldorak

Yes, and it was time. I never understood why AF was not serving this route, instead of selling their precious LHR slot to whoever needed them. Strange that it is Y only. This is a route that can sell J point-to-point.

NickB

This is a route that can indeed sell J point to point but not with 5 flights weekly in a two months period in the summer when BA offers ten times that number of flights year round and also offers attractive discounted fares for the J leisure traffic (around the £300 return mark)..

adambrau

Doubt we have P to Havana but a diplomatic passenger recently flew JFK-CDG-Havana because of the difficulty flying USA to Cuba. Similarly, a colleague flew JFK-CDG-CCS while we still flew to Venezuela because the US carriers had cancelled all their flights.

brunos

And pricing from NCE seems much better than from LHR. I get EUR130 from NCE and 272 from LHR on selected dates in August.
AF expect higher demand from UK, but that is a fairly high price. BA is much cheaper from LHR.