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Old Aug 22, 2019, 3:23 pm
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AF is starting ORY-GVA from 14/12, but only once weekly each Saturday. Timed for connections to/from JFK and Antilles.
AF9404 ORY 9:55 - GVA 11:00
AF9405 GVA 11:50 - ORY 12:55
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Old Aug 23, 2019, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
AF is starting ORY-GVA from 14/12, but only once weekly each Saturday. Timed for connections to/from JFK and Antilles.
AF9404 ORY 9:55 - GVA 11:00
AF9405 GVA 11:50 - ORY 12:55
... and timed for all the Ouest Parisien going to the ski slopes... That will be the bulk of passengers.
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Old Aug 24, 2019, 12:07 pm
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Very interesting!
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Old Oct 22, 2019, 1:11 pm
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Not a new route, but I don't want to start a new thread for this : AF will restore a 5th daily rotation AF014/015 on CDG-JFK-CDG for the S20 season.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rk-jfk-in-s20/

Air France in summer 2020 season is restoring 5th daily Paris CDG – New York JFK service, last served until June 2016. From 29MAR20, AF014/015 will operating in late-morning hours from Paris. with 3-class 777-200ER.

AF022 CDG0800 – 1015JFK 77W D
AF014 CDG1120 – 1350JFK 772 D
AF006 CDG1400 – 1625JFK 77W D
AF010 CDG1650 – 1920JFK 388 D
AF008 CDG1940 – 2200JFK 772 D

AF023 JFK1625 – 0550+1CDG 77W D
AF015 JFK1730 – 0705+1CDG 772 D
AF007 JFK1900 – 0820+1CDG 77W D
AF011 JFK2155 – 1120+1CDG 388 D
AF009 JFK2355 – 1310+1CDG 772 D

As Air France restores 5th daily service, overall Airbus A380 operation will be reduced from 2 to 1 daily, with AF006/007 operated by 4-class 777-300ER.
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Old Oct 23, 2019, 12:06 am
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Several new routes to Spain & Portugal announced for next summer. All one weekly and saturday only. For AGP and VLC, the routes are already served by UX in code-share with AF. But with only one weekly flight for each of those new destinations, it's not very convenient.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ork-additions/

Air France on Tuesday (22OCT19) announced European routes addition for summer 2020, scheduled once weekly. From Paris CDG, the Skyteam member plans to introduce service to Alicante, Faro, Malaga and Valencia. Most routes were previously served by the airline in the last 30 years.

Paris CDG – Alicanteeff 04APR20 1 weekly HOP! Embraer E190 (AF last served this route from Paris CDG in Summer 1981 as seasonal flights, 2 weekly 727/A300. Paris Orly – Alicante operated during summer season 1982 – 1989)
AF9416 CDG1535 – 1750ALC E90 6
AF9417 ALC1840 – 2100CDG E90 6

Paris CDG – Faroeff 04APR20 1 weekly A320
AF9418 CDG0650 – 0835FAO 320 6
AF9419 FAO0925 – 1315CDG 320 6

Paris CDG – Malagaeff 04APR20 1 weekly A319 (AF last served until April 2006)
AF9420 CDG0705 – 0940AGP 319 6
AF9421 AGP1035 – 1315CDG 319 6

Paris CDG – Valenciaeff 04APR20 1 weekly A318 (AF last served Valencia from Paris Orly until March 2003)
AF9414 CDG1535 – 1730VLC 318 6
AF9415 VLC1820 – 2030CDG 318 6
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Old Oct 24, 2019, 10:54 pm
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Glad they chose to resume service to Malaga 👍
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Hmm, I gues once a week could work well for the holidaying crowd, especially package tours... but then I would expect ORY...

Anyway wonder what the prices will be. Valencia is nice and A318 is always a rare treat for an avgeek.
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Old Oct 25, 2019, 1:31 pm
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Hmm, I gues once a week could work well for the holidaying crowd, especially package tours... but then I would expect ORY...

Anyway wonder what the prices will be. Valencia is nice and A318 is always a rare treat for an avgeek.
A318 is also unconfortable with the old cabin and soggy, non-reclining seats
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Old Oct 31, 2019, 6:25 pm
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AF will fly ORY-MAD from next summer season

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ervice-in-s20/
Air France in summer 2020 season is resuming Paris Orly – Madrid route, last served until 1990s. From 29MAR20, the Skyteam member will serve this route 2 daily (1 on weekends), with a mix of Airbus A318/319 aircraft.

AF9430 ORY0715 – 0910MAD 319 x167
AF9430 ORY0715 – 0910MAD 318 16
AF9432 ORY1545 – 1740MAD 318 x56
AF9432 ORY1545 – 1740MAD 319 5

AF9431 MAD1005 – 1155ORY 319 x167
AF9431 MAD1005 – 1155ORY 318 16
AF9433 MAD1830 – 2020ORY 318 x56
AF9433 MAD1830 – 2020ORY 319 5

Air France last operated this route until March 1992, while AF-coded service operated by Air Inter was served for summer 1996 season.
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Old Nov 3, 2019, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
AF will fly ORY-MAD from next summer season

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...ervice-in-s20/
AFAIK, this would be AF’s only « international » flight from ORY (except DOM/TOM flights that are technically to France and one to JFK). Does someone know if that’s part of a new strategy to increase international flights from ORY for AF? It seems they didn’t remove flights from CDG so that would be additional frequencies only. Perhaps they have a hard time actually filling Aigle Azure slots .
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Old Nov 3, 2019, 2:33 am
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AFAIK, this would be AF’s only « international » flight from ORY (except DOM/TOM flights that are technically to France and one to JFK). Does someone know if that’s part of a new strategy to increase international flights from ORY for AF? It seems they didn’t remove flights from CDG so that would be additional frequencies only. Perhaps they have a hard time actually filling Aigle Azure slots .
Probably a combination.
They need to fill slots. And the domestic market is dwindling.
AF faces huge competition on MAD. IB has 6 flights from ORY.. UX has four. TO has three. They need to regain some market share.
Wonder if they will use the awful domestic non-reclining seats of the domestic fleet.
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Old Nov 3, 2019, 5:00 am
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They will. A318s have them and A319s used on domestic flights as well.
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Old Nov 4, 2019, 12:54 am
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https://elpais.com/economia/2019/11/...53_147059.html

Iberia has just adquired Air Europa for 1 billion EUR.
I guess that is why AF is adding ORY-MAD flights. I wonder what will happen to UX CDG flights to Valencia and Malaga...
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Old Nov 4, 2019, 4:24 am
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Originally Posted by Satie
Iberia has just adquired Air Europa for 1 billion EUR.
IAG, rather than Iberia, acquired UX (despite the El Pais headline) but, yes, I suspect that you are right that AF's decision to start ORY-MAD is linked to that.
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Originally Posted by Satie
https://elpais.com/economia/2019/11/...53_147059.html

Iberia has just adquired Air Europa for 1 billion EUR.
I guess that is why AF is adding ORY-MAD flights. I wonder what will happen to UX CDG flights to Valencia and Malaga...
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IAG, rather than Iberia, acquired UX (despite the El Pais headline) but, yes, I suspect that you are right that AF's decision to start ORY-MAD is linked to that.
And they also announced VLC, but only once weekly. Clearly, this is all linked to this announcement. I expect that they may start some more services from CDG to those Spanish destinations. But it s also possible that UX will retain some form of collaboration with AF (a simple code-share agreement on a few routes), even if out of Skyteam.
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