Aug 21, 2018, 8:23 am
Last edit by: yyznomad
For those of you interested only in the revised $450-million deal and related discussion, it starts on post 418:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1926409-update-aimia-accepts-air-canada-td-cibc-visa-revised-450-million-aeroplan-bid-28.html#post30109427
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/1926409-update-aimia-accepts-air-canada-td-cibc-visa-revised-450-million-aeroplan-bid-28.html#post30109427
Update: Aimia accepts Air Canada, TD, CIBC & Visa revised $450-million Aeroplan bid
Aug 2, 2018, 7:50 pm
#256
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So $450M is AE floor ? Big diff from AC offer of $250M which got upped to $325M. I suspect the $450M maybe what AE is negotiating with Oneworld and others.
AC upped to $325M very quickly.
If I were to purely guess $400M is what AC will pay and will be accepted.
AC upped to $325M very quickly.
If I were to purely guess $400M is what AC will pay and will be accepted.
Aug 2, 2018, 7:56 pm
#257
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If AC went to 325 they'll go to 450. That's only $90 per member, we're worth that much, aren't we? Nice to see Aimia call their bluff! 
Ron.
Ron.
Aug 2, 2018, 7:57 pm
#258
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Do people actually believe Air Canada will have a new FFP ready by July 2020?
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
Aug 2, 2018, 8:07 pm
#259
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).Do people actually believe Air Canada will have a new FFP ready by July 2020?
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
Safe Travels,
James
Aug 2, 2018, 8:12 pm
#260
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Do people actually believe Air Canada will have a new FFP ready by July 2020?
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
There must be some current and ex-AC employees here who know how slow things move at AC.
Aimia is aware of this fact and knows that AC is in big trouble. AC can't get their act together. They don't have any banks they can partner with. The offer was AC showing desperation and trying to mask it with media spin.
IMO, Aimia should milk AC and the banks for all they can.
AC already tracks the mileage accumulation for its own flights crediting to Aeroplan and *A FFP. AFAIK much of the functionality of Altitude has been brought back in-house. Sounds like CIBC and TD are both willing to partner with AC, so I don’t see an issue there. All AC needs to launch its own FFP is the ability to earn/redeem on *A and CC partner; all other partners can be added over time. As canadiancow pointed out previously some of AC’s recent IT items have been relatively good; I don’t thing a new FFP would be too difficult for AC given where they currently are and nearly 2 years to go.
Aug 2, 2018, 8:13 pm
#261
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How hard could it be that they wouldn’t have something up and running by 2020?
AC already tracks the mileage accumulation for its own flights crediting to Aeroplan and *A FFP. AFAIK much of the functionality of Altitude has been brought back in-house. Sounds like CIBC and TD are both willing to partner with AC, so I don’t see an issue there. All AC needs to launch its own FFP is the ability to earn/redeem on *A and CC partner; all other partners can be added over time. As canadiancow pointed out previously some of AC’s recent IT items have been relatively good; I don’t thing a new FFP would be too difficult for AC given where they currently are and nearly 2 years to go.
AC already tracks the mileage accumulation for its own flights crediting to Aeroplan and *A FFP. AFAIK much of the functionality of Altitude has been brought back in-house. Sounds like CIBC and TD are both willing to partner with AC, so I don’t see an issue there. All AC needs to launch its own FFP is the ability to earn/redeem on *A and CC partner; all other partners can be added over time. As canadiancow pointed out previously some of AC’s recent IT items have been relatively good; I don’t thing a new FFP would be too difficult for AC given where they currently are and nearly 2 years to go.
Hmmmm
Aug 2, 2018, 8:20 pm
#262
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Letting AP collapse will have everyone with 500 miles in their account blame Feds...
AC has managed over two decades to stay multiple steps ahead of regulation with simple promise to Feds / we will keep embarrassments for you to a minimum.
the 2 billion on AP books that needs to eventually find a seat on an airplane, save wastage, will make for serious political embarrassment should this happen in about 14 months from now.
Both AC & AE know this - bad deal for AC might just be better than AP collapse.
AC has managed over two decades to stay multiple steps ahead of regulation with simple promise to Feds / we will keep embarrassments for you to a minimum.
the 2 billion on AP books that needs to eventually find a seat on an airplane, save wastage, will make for serious political embarrassment should this happen in about 14 months from now.
Both AC & AE know this - bad deal for AC might just be better than AP collapse.
Aug 2, 2018, 8:21 pm
#263
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Aug 2, 2018, 8:27 pm
#264
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Aug 2, 2018, 8:28 pm
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I’ll defer to canadiancow, who flies much more than myself, and who is a much better IT critic.
I was simply responding to the previous poster’s doubt that a new FFP can be up and running by 2020. IMHO this is something that should be very achievable, even with AC’s previous IT track record.
I was simply responding to the previous poster’s doubt that a new FFP can be up and running by 2020. IMHO this is something that should be very achievable, even with AC’s previous IT track record.
My understanding is that AC is building their new program regardless of what happens with this proposal. Everything new I've seen come out the door from AC in the past few years has been pretty good. The Altitude website is a dream compared to AC.com or Aeroplan.com.
The Flight Pass app is amazing. It may still be lacking in some features, with a bug here or there, but the overall quality makes it obvious that they no longer want to be the joke they currently are. There are over 4000 posts in aircanada.com/aeroplan.com - Experiences/Complaints/Issues.
The Flight Pass app is amazing. It may still be lacking in some features, with a bug here or there, but the overall quality makes it obvious that they no longer want to be the joke they currently are. There are over 4000 posts in aircanada.com/aeroplan.com - Experiences/Complaints/Issues.
Aug 2, 2018, 8:29 pm
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Aug 2, 2018, 8:46 pm
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Safe Travels,
James
Aug 2, 2018, 8:46 pm
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I’ll defer to canadiancow, who flies much more than myself, and who is a much better IT critic.
I was simply responding to the previous poster’s doubt that a new FFP can be up and running by 2020. IMHO this is something that should be very achievable, even with AC’s previous IT track record.
In terms of CX, which is something I do know quite in-depth... the AC website suites (Eup, Attitude, main site) is absolute dog dong. While flight pass app is okay, it's bogged down by a atrocious color scheme design.
There are very few mobile sites I would classify as literally unusable, and AC is right there on the top of list.
Also how much Cow flies is not really that relevant. Majority of AC's customer likely travel 2-4 times a year at best. Anytime you focus your site design on power users you eventually will get a problem on your hand.
I have very... very low confidence in how AC can manage to launch a large FF program on-time when it can't even run a promo properly. I shat you not, AC didnt bother fix their promo linking on their homepage for a full week when they launched the weekend pass. I
Last edited by Jumper Jack; Aug 2, 2018 at 8:52 pm