Feb 2, 2022, 11:40 pm
Last edit by: canadiancow
The gist of this thread is that if you board while waiting for an upgrade, and someone no-shows for J, there is a decent chance the agent will not come on to upgrade you. There are no guarantees either way though.
YBYL (You Board You Lose) on AC?
Jun 2, 2019, 5:45 pm
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Except there are also anecdotes that gate agents have gone onboard after boarding was complete to upgrade passengers who were on the upgrade waitlist. I have experienced that multiple times myself, even at YYZ. So it’s been proven time and again that YBYL is not always policy.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:22 pm
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Actually not. RP for examples are booked in Y with space available upgrades to J only. And under certain circumstances even CA deadhead can be seated in Y.
The details are outside of the scope of this thread. If you are interested to know more feel free to PM me.
Back to the thread though, in @VoodooYYC's situation, I don't think the GA jumped the FO to the J seat in front of him. That FO was likely originally booked in that J seats for the deadhead.
The details are outside of the scope of this thread. If you are interested to know more feel free to PM me.
Back to the thread though, in @VoodooYYC's situation, I don't think the GA jumped the FO to the J seat in front of him. That FO was likely originally booked in that J seats for the deadhead.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:26 pm
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Actually not. RP for examples are booked in Y with space available upgrades to J only. And under certain circumstances even CA deadhead can be seated in Y.
The details are outside of the scope of this thread. If you are interested to know more feel free to PM me.
Back to the thread though, in @VoodooYYC's situation, I don't think the GA jumped the FO to the J seat in front of him. That FO was likely originally booked in that J seats for the deadhead.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:32 pm
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I'm pretty sure @canadiancow was speaking in terms of AC only. At least that's how I read and understood it.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:34 pm
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My point is that @canadiancow was talking about AC in terms of their contract with the AC pilot's union.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:43 pm
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As for the rest, my mistake. I thought only 4 stripers were entitled to J, not the Assistant TO the 4 striper. Live and learn.
But given that it was YYZ, I’m going to continue to assume shenanigans or incompetence.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:45 pm
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i can’t say that I did or didn’t. It would likely be a split second change from on the list to check mark to boarded by that time, no?
As for the rest, my mistake. I thought only 4 stripers we’re entitled to J, not the Assistant TO the 4 striper. Live and learn.
But given that it was YYZ, I’m going to continue to assume shenanigans or incompetence.
Jun 2, 2019, 6:51 pm
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Jun 2, 2019, 10:48 pm
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Actually not. RP for examples are booked in Y with space available upgrades to J only. And under certain circumstances even CA deadhead can be seated in Y.
The details are outside of the scope of this thread. If you are interested to know more feel free to PM me.
Back to the thread though, in @VoodooYYC's situation, I don't think the GA jumped the FO to the J seat in front of him. That FO was likely originally booked in that J seats for the deadhead.
But FOs are certainly entitled.
Jun 3, 2019, 7:34 am
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Small AC operated outstations sometimes do it better. Do not expect the same at YYZ/YUL/YVR/YYC. The YDF agent had plenty of time to do things right, since they wouldn't have much to do afterwards for maybe two hours, unlike YYZ where they run from gate to gate, flight to flight.
I was shocked I tell you, shocked!!!!!! To receive that upgrade after boarding.
That being said, I delay boarding to the end if I did not get a confirmed e-up now.
Jun 3, 2019, 7:40 am
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The GA coming on board into PY or Y and handing someone a J BP is not something new or earth shattering. I've seen it at least over 100 times in the past several years.
The problem or issue is that this should be the case most or all of the time.
But in any case, YBYL should be the assumption for all of us...
The problem or issue is that this should be the case most or all of the time.
But in any case, YBYL should be the assumption for all of us...
Jun 3, 2019, 8:25 am
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Also agreed. However, I’ve noticed a significant uptick in GAs explicitly asking pax on the upgrade waitlist to remain in the gate area once boarding has commenced. That’s discouraging for all the bin space reasons mentioned upthread, but may also suggest a shift towards a more global implementation of a YBYL policy at AC. I’m sure some GAs will continue to “do the right thing” and upgrade pax based on their priority before boarding commenced, but I expect more often than not, “the system” will run the show.
Jun 3, 2019, 8:39 am
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Agreed, nothing new about that. I actually discovered I had received an op-up once when a gentleman presented himself at my Y seat with a boarding pass for that same seat.
Also agreed. However, I’ve noticed a significant uptick in GAs explicitly asking pax on the upgrade waitlist to remain in the gate area once boarding has commenced. That’s discouraging for all the bin space reasons mentioned upthread, but may also suggest a shift towards a more global implementation of a YBYL policy at AC. I’m sure some GAs will continue to “do the right thing” and upgrade pax based on their priority before boarding commenced, but I expect more often than not, “the system” will run the show.
But if you already know the YBYL game, the announcement is moot for you.
And if you don't know the YBYL game, you'd have to be there and hear it/pay attention when the GA announces it, or you might board and miss out.
Jun 3, 2019, 8:43 am
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