AC Rouge A319s getting 2*2 J seating
Nov 8, 2014, 9:24 am
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Nov 8, 2014, 9:28 am
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Nov 8, 2014, 11:21 am
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They're going to have to clip almost 3" of pitch in Y to add any rows behind 3L or between 2 and 3 on the 321.
Glad they're putting J in the Rogue ships.... Despite the insistence that some routes don't deserve proper J seats, there are people who are willing/able/statused enough to buy J (and/or are unwilling to suffer in Y-). YYZ-FLL I was like #20 on the upgrade list, and the flight was full.
As to the comment that widebodies running YYZ-YVR, etc are unprofitable, they're charging more than TATL flight for those routes, the operating cost is not nearly as much.
Glad they're putting J in the Rogue ships.... Despite the insistence that some routes don't deserve proper J seats, there are people who are willing/able/statused enough to buy J (and/or are unwilling to suffer in Y-). YYZ-FLL I was like #20 on the upgrade list, and the flight was full.
As to the comment that widebodies running YYZ-YVR, etc are unprofitable, they're charging more than TATL flight for those routes, the operating cost is not nearly as much.
Nov 8, 2014, 12:21 pm
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Had the Euro-style J in the Rouge 319s been selling as AC clearly hoped they would why would they be ripping out these seats in favour of a proper J seat? By ripping out the Euro-style J seating they are doing away with what Ben S claimed was benefit of the layout - the ability to sell the airplane as all Y when warranted. Clearly the Euro-style J seating has not worked out for him nor for AC.
Nov 8, 2014, 12:38 pm
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Huh?
Had the Euro-style J in the Rouge 319s been selling as AC clearly hoped they would why would they be ripping out these seats in favour of a proper J seat? By ripping out the Euro-style J seating they are doing away with what Ben S claimed was benefit of the layout - the ability to sell the airplane as all Y when warranted. Clearly the Euro-style J seating has not worked out for him nor for AC.
Had the Euro-style J in the Rouge 319s been selling as AC clearly hoped they would why would they be ripping out these seats in favour of a proper J seat? By ripping out the Euro-style J seating they are doing away with what Ben S claimed was benefit of the layout - the ability to sell the airplane as all Y when warranted. Clearly the Euro-style J seating has not worked out for him nor for AC.
If it failed, AC wouldn't still be pricing it the same as the mainline J seats they replaced.
Nov 8, 2014, 1:11 pm
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But if AC was consistently able to get mainline J prices for these seats, as opposed to just asking for mainline J prices, why would they rip them out and forego the benefit, as Ben S claimed, of being able to sell all Y where warranted? I'm thinking, perhaps incorrectly, that AC wanted mainline J fares and found people were not willing to pay such fares for Euro J service. After all, it's not like AC wants to give anyone a price break for being crammed into Rouge aircraft.
Nov 8, 2014, 1:19 pm
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But if AC was consistently able to get mainline J prices for these seats, as opposed to just asking for mainline J prices, why would they rip them out and forego the benefit, as Ben S claimed, of being able to sell all Y where warranted? I'm thinking, perhaps incorrectly, that AC wanted mainline J fares and found people were not willing to pay such fares for Euro J service. After all, it's not like AC wants to give anyone a price break for being crammed into Rouge aircraft.
Even upgrades seem a waste.
And, to top it all off I have booked, say GCM, cheaper on UA, DL, or US in F/J than AC flex. Go figure.
Nov 8, 2014, 2:36 pm
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Nov 8, 2014, 2:56 pm
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Nov 8, 2014, 3:09 pm
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Travelling rather often to the Caribbean, I am often amazed at the price AC can get for flights there. I guess a large portion goes to AC-Vaca, and there (must be) a bunch of people wanting directs, because I often find UA considerably cheaper and sometimes J at the same price as Y.
Downside is I often have to connect via EWR or ORD in the winter, but I guess I'm willing to prostitute myself for a low enough airfare.
Downside is I often have to connect via EWR or ORD in the winter, but I guess I'm willing to prostitute myself for a low enough airfare.
Nov 8, 2014, 3:19 pm
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They see them as the enemy, rather. Bottom feeders, god forbid.
Getting something for nothing, how dare they? Who do they think they are, they think they are smarter? We need to give them a lesson, show them that we are smarter.
They even bought in the the best to help them in their mission...
Nov 9, 2014, 4:02 am
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But if AC was consistently able to get mainline J prices for these seats, as opposed to just asking for mainline J prices, why would they rip them out and forego the benefit, as Ben S claimed, of being able to sell all Y where warranted? I'm thinking, perhaps incorrectly, that AC wanted mainline J fares and found people were not willing to pay such fares for Euro J service. After all, it's not like AC wants to give anyone a price break for being crammed into Rouge aircraft.
My honest guess? There are going to be a few rouge planes stay in all Y to fly the routes where that makes sense... highlighted in red on this things wiki... The rest where they're selling them as J will flip over, as obviously the revenue model makes sense.
Nov 9, 2014, 4:04 am
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Travelling rather often to the Caribbean, I am often amazed at the price AC can get for flights there. I guess a large portion goes to AC-Vaca, and there (must be) a bunch of people wanting directs, because I often find UA considerably cheaper and sometimes J at the same price as Y.
Downside is I often have to connect via EWR or ORD in the winter, but I guess I'm willing to prostitute myself for a low enough airfare.
Downside is I often have to connect via EWR or ORD in the winter, but I guess I'm willing to prostitute myself for a low enough airfare.
Nov 9, 2014, 5:54 am
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And I'm happy AC can get the money from them. Like I've always said here. If they can get those fares and fill their planes (like Flex to SYD), them more power to them.