Mini RTW Questions
Jan 24, 2017, 6:44 pm
#4741
Join Date: Dec 2011
Programs: AC Elite, *Alliance Gold, Marriott Elite Silver
Posts: 125
Thoughts on this itinerary? It's for 2 in J. Not sure if it's legal or not, have to call Aeroplan to confirm.
TK - YYZ - IST (22-hour 'layover' so she can quickly sample the city)
TK IST - CDG (2 days. CDG is 'stopover')
OS CDG - VIE - PRG (2 days. PRG is the destination)
LX PRG - ZRH - VCE (1.5 days. Leave the morning of the third day)
SN VCE - BRU - YYZ
So she gets to sample IST as a layover, then we get 2 days each in Paris and Prague and 1.5 days in Venice. Also get to try Turkish (my fav), Austrian, Swiss and Brussels in J. None of the airlines have fuel surcharge on reward redemption. Seems like it should be a legal itinerary. Thoughts?
TK - YYZ - IST (22-hour 'layover' so she can quickly sample the city)
TK IST - CDG (2 days. CDG is 'stopover')
OS CDG - VIE - PRG (2 days. PRG is the destination)
LX PRG - ZRH - VCE (1.5 days. Leave the morning of the third day)
SN VCE - BRU - YYZ
So she gets to sample IST as a layover, then we get 2 days each in Paris and Prague and 1.5 days in Venice. Also get to try Turkish (my fav), Austrian, Swiss and Brussels in J. None of the airlines have fuel surcharge on reward redemption. Seems like it should be a legal itinerary. Thoughts?
Jan 24, 2017, 9:11 pm
#4742
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,537
Austrian has surcharges on long haul. Going through Istanbul might go over mpm with all the looping around
Jan 24, 2017, 11:25 pm
#4743
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Spatially speaking or metaphysically speaking?
Programs: Aeropain: Zirconia Status; Altitude: Marianas Trench Status; UA MP: 1 Kick to the curb status
Posts: 623
Jan 25, 2017, 12:10 am
#4744
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
Thoughts on this itinerary? It's for 2 in J. Not sure if it's legal or not, have to call Aeroplan to confirm.
TK - YYZ - IST (22-hour 'layover' so she can quickly sample the city)
TK IST - CDG (2 days. CDG is 'stopover')
OS CDG - VIE - PRG (2 days. PRG is the destination)
LX PRG - ZRH - VCE (1.5 days. Leave the morning of the third day)
SN VCE - BRU - YYZ
So she gets to sample IST as a layover, then we get 2 days each in Paris and Prague and 1.5 days in Venice. Also get to try Turkish (my fav), Austrian, Swiss and Brussels in J. None of the airlines have fuel surcharge on reward redemption. Seems like it should be a legal itinerary. Thoughts?
TK - YYZ - IST (22-hour 'layover' so she can quickly sample the city)
TK IST - CDG (2 days. CDG is 'stopover')
OS CDG - VIE - PRG (2 days. PRG is the destination)
LX PRG - ZRH - VCE (1.5 days. Leave the morning of the third day)
SN VCE - BRU - YYZ
So she gets to sample IST as a layover, then we get 2 days each in Paris and Prague and 1.5 days in Venice. Also get to try Turkish (my fav), Austrian, Swiss and Brussels in J. None of the airlines have fuel surcharge on reward redemption. Seems like it should be a legal itinerary. Thoughts?
It doesn't even look close once you map it out (just the intra-Europe)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ist-cdg...rg-zrh-vce-bru
Start with Multi-city online and see what you get first
and probably tweak city orders (to try form a natural circle, from furthest city to closest one)
Maybe something like this (no IST)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=yyz-yul...rg-bru-cdg-yyz
Jan 25, 2017, 6:27 am
#4745
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: YYZ, YUL, PEK
Posts: 429
Also worth mentioning that all of the OS and LX legs and the short-haul SN leg are all likely to be "Europe J" aka economy with a blocked middle seat - nothing like the real thing.
Jan 25, 2017, 9:19 am
#4746
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YEG
Posts: 3,717
22h in IST is not a lot of time and considering the costs of a visa... i would either recommend more time or scrap the idea... just my 2 cents
Jan 25, 2017, 10:58 am
#4747
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: FRA / YEG
Programs: AC Super Elite, Radisson Platinum, Accor Platinum
Posts: 11,874
The visa costs are indeed a huge nuisance, but otherwise I don't completely agree. A day-tour of IST is sufficient to get a good overview of the city (e.g. visit 4-5 major attractions, walk around the old city and maybe enjoy an authentic meal somewhere at night).
Jan 25, 2017, 12:23 pm
#4748
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YEG
Posts: 3,717
80$Cad + hotel for ~10hr I suppose there are worst uses of money/time...
We spent 5 days in IST and feel like we only scratched the surface. Considering getting around is not the easiest crowded pedways, chaotic and not interconnected public transit system, taxis that rip tourists off and end up snarled in traffic and end up kick you out anyways... IMHO... meh!
We spent 5 days in IST and feel like we only scratched the surface. Considering getting around is not the easiest crowded pedways, chaotic and not interconnected public transit system, taxis that rip tourists off and end up snarled in traffic and end up kick you out anyways... IMHO... meh!
Jan 25, 2017, 3:06 pm
#4749
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
Looking to book my first Europe redemption in J for September. Not really a mini-RTW but thought I post here anyways. Looking for help. I've found the first few legs of the trip
AC YYC-YYZ (layover)
TK YYZ-IST (Destination)
TK IST-CDG ( Stop)
Will probably take the train to London from there for a couple of days then back to Paris. From Paris, we are not sure where to make one more stop. We were thinking either Madrid or Barcelona but not sure if that makes sense. Hoping people can chime in on their preferences or route ideas.
Also, the taxes seem to be adding up fast, not sure if that is normal.
AC YYC-YYZ (layover)
TK YYZ-IST (Destination)
TK IST-CDG ( Stop)
Will probably take the train to London from there for a couple of days then back to Paris. From Paris, we are not sure where to make one more stop. We were thinking either Madrid or Barcelona but not sure if that makes sense. Hoping people can chime in on their preferences or route ideas.
Also, the taxes seem to be adding up fast, not sure if that is normal.
Jan 25, 2017, 3:12 pm
#4750
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,537
Paris also has high business class charges, although not to the point of London.
I'd consider doing Istanbul to Barcelona, Barcelona to Brussels, Brussels to Toronto direct.
take the train from Brussels to London, London to Paris, Paris to Brussels. It'll save you some connections trying to get from CDG to Barcelona and you'd probably aim for the Brussels flight back to Toronto to save on surcharges anyways
I'd consider doing Istanbul to Barcelona, Barcelona to Brussels, Brussels to Toronto direct.
take the train from Brussels to London, London to Paris, Paris to Brussels. It'll save you some connections trying to get from CDG to Barcelona and you'd probably aim for the Brussels flight back to Toronto to save on surcharges anyways
Jan 25, 2017, 7:19 pm
#4751
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
Looking to book my first Europe redemption in J for September. Not really a mini-RTW but thought I post here anyways. Looking for help. I've found the first few legs of the trip
AC YYC-YYZ (layover)
TK YYZ-IST (Destination)
TK IST-CDG ( Stop)
Will probably take the train to London from there for a couple of days then back to Paris. From Paris, we are not sure where to make one more stop. We were thinking either Madrid or Barcelona but not sure if that makes sense. Hoping people can chime in on their preferences or route ideas.
Also, the taxes seem to be adding up fast, not sure if that is normal.
AC YYC-YYZ (layover)
TK YYZ-IST (Destination)
TK IST-CDG ( Stop)
Will probably take the train to London from there for a couple of days then back to Paris. From Paris, we are not sure where to make one more stop. We were thinking either Madrid or Barcelona but not sure if that makes sense. Hoping people can chime in on their preferences or route ideas.
Also, the taxes seem to be adding up fast, not sure if that is normal.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...demptions.html
Also, France just has high tax/fees, can't avoid it
Play with Multi-city online to see what routing are possible
YYC-YYZ-IST, stop 1/destination
IST-MAD/BCN, stop 2
MAD/BCN-*-CDG, stop 3
CDG-*-YYC
* = possible *A hubs like FRA/BRU/ZRH
Jan 25, 2017, 8:28 pm
#4752
Join Date: Dec 2011
Programs: AC Elite, *Alliance Gold, Marriott Elite Silver
Posts: 125
I'll try to play with routing again. Aeroplan's multicity tool only lets me see three legs.
Jan 26, 2017, 9:34 am
#4753
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
Thanks Crmisona and Jerry. Those options look intriguing. I will look into it and report back.
Cheers
Cheers
Jan 26, 2017, 12:14 pm
#4754
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 22
I played around with some dates and routes with the Award Flights tool and flight connections. Came up with the following. Will take the train from Brussels to London to Paris and then back to BRU as Crimsona suggested. Thoughts?
YYC-YYZ-IST(destination) on TK
IST-BCN (Stopover) on TK
BCN-ZRH (Layover) on LX
ZRH-BRU (Stopover) on LX
BRU-YYZ (return) on SN
YYZ-YYC
YYC-YYZ-IST(destination) on TK
IST-BCN (Stopover) on TK
BCN-ZRH (Layover) on LX
ZRH-BRU (Stopover) on LX
BRU-YYZ (return) on SN
YYZ-YYC
Jan 26, 2017, 1:22 pm
#4755
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
I played around with some dates and routes with the Award Flights tool and flight connections. Came up with the following. Will take the train from Brussels to London to Paris and then back to BRU as Crimsona suggested. Thoughts?
YYC-YYZ-IST(destination) on TK
IST-BCN (Stopover) on TK
BCN-ZRH (Layover) on LX
ZRH-BRU (Stopover) on LX
BRU-YYZ (return) on SN
YYZ-YYC
YYC-YYZ-IST(destination) on TK
IST-BCN (Stopover) on TK
BCN-ZRH (Layover) on LX
ZRH-BRU (Stopover) on LX
BRU-YYZ (return) on SN
YYZ-YYC
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYC-YYZ...RH-BRU-YYZ-YYC
but are you really trying to do 5~6 cities in 1 trip?
IST, BCN, ZRH (layover), Brussels, London, Paris
Did a dummy booking for fun, YYC-IST-BRU-YYC, 75K + only $174, not bad
There's even SFO-IST on TK, and LHR is one of the option too (=you could stopover in LHR if you really want to)
MY TRIP75,000 MILES
FLIGHT 1Calgary (YYC) Istanbul (IST)Fri Jan 27, 2017
Change flight
United Airlines UA5954 Operated by SKYWEST DBA UNITED EXPRESS
Departs : Fri. Jan 2713:11Calgary (YYC)
Arrives : Fri. Jan 2715:20San Francisco (SFO)
Flight Duration : 3h 09 min
ECONOMY
Class XE7WMeal available for purchase
Change plane in San FranciscoTime to connect : 2h 50 min
Turkish Airlines TK80
Departs : Fri. Jan 2718:10San Francisco (SFO)
Arrives : Sat. Jan 2818:05Istanbul (IST)
Flight Duration : 12h 55 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 777-300Complimentary meal
Total travel time : 18h 54min
FLIGHT 2Istanbul (IST) Brussels (BRU)Wed Feb 1, 2017
Change flight
Turkish Airlines TK1943
Departs : Wed. Feb 112:55Istanbul (IST)
Arrives : Wed. Feb 114:30Brussels (BRU)
Flight Duration : 3h 35 min
ECONOMY
Class XAirbus A321-100/200Complimentary meal
Total travel time : 3h 35min
FLIGHT 3Brussels (BRU) Calgary (YYC)Tue Feb 7, 2017
Change flight
United Airlines UA951
Departs : Tue. Feb 711:55Brussels (BRU)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 715:05Washington Dulles (IAD)
Flight Duration : 9h 10 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 767-400 Complimentary meal
Change plane in Washington DullesTime to connect : 2h 15 min
United Airlines UA511
Departs : Tue. Feb 717:20Washington Dulles (IAD)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 718:29Chicago O Hare (ORD)
Flight Duration : 2h 09 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 737-900 Meal available for purchase
Change plane in Chicago O HareTime to connect : 1h 50 min
United Airlines UA5247 Operated by SKYWEST DBA UNITED EXPRESS
Departs : Tue. Feb 720:19Chicago O Hare (ORD)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 723:29Calgary (YYC)
Flight Duration : 4h 10 min
ECONOMY
Class XE7WMeal available for purchase
Total travel time : 19h 34min
FLIGHT 1Calgary (YYC) Istanbul (IST)Fri Jan 27, 2017
Change flight
United Airlines UA5954 Operated by SKYWEST DBA UNITED EXPRESS
Departs : Fri. Jan 2713:11Calgary (YYC)
Arrives : Fri. Jan 2715:20San Francisco (SFO)
Flight Duration : 3h 09 min
ECONOMY
Class XE7WMeal available for purchase
Change plane in San FranciscoTime to connect : 2h 50 min
Turkish Airlines TK80
Departs : Fri. Jan 2718:10San Francisco (SFO)
Arrives : Sat. Jan 2818:05Istanbul (IST)
Flight Duration : 12h 55 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 777-300Complimentary meal
Total travel time : 18h 54min
FLIGHT 2Istanbul (IST) Brussels (BRU)Wed Feb 1, 2017
Change flight
Turkish Airlines TK1943
Departs : Wed. Feb 112:55Istanbul (IST)
Arrives : Wed. Feb 114:30Brussels (BRU)
Flight Duration : 3h 35 min
ECONOMY
Class XAirbus A321-100/200Complimentary meal
Total travel time : 3h 35min
FLIGHT 3Brussels (BRU) Calgary (YYC)Tue Feb 7, 2017
Change flight
United Airlines UA951
Departs : Tue. Feb 711:55Brussels (BRU)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 715:05Washington Dulles (IAD)
Flight Duration : 9h 10 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 767-400 Complimentary meal
Change plane in Washington DullesTime to connect : 2h 15 min
United Airlines UA511
Departs : Tue. Feb 717:20Washington Dulles (IAD)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 718:29Chicago O Hare (ORD)
Flight Duration : 2h 09 min
ECONOMY
Class XBoeing 737-900 Meal available for purchase
Change plane in Chicago O HareTime to connect : 1h 50 min
United Airlines UA5247 Operated by SKYWEST DBA UNITED EXPRESS
Departs : Tue. Feb 720:19Chicago O Hare (ORD)
Arrives : Tue. Feb 723:29Calgary (YYC)
Flight Duration : 4h 10 min
ECONOMY
Class XE7WMeal available for purchase
Total travel time : 19h 34min
Last edited by jerryhung; Jan 26, 2017 at 1:28 pm