Mini RTW Questions
May 26, 2014, 10:32 pm
#2881
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 23
SEA-SFO
SFO-CPH-TXL (stop @ Berlin via Copenhagen)
TXL-IST
IST-BKK (turnaround @ Bangkok)
BKK-SIN
SIN-HKG (stop @ Hong Kong)
HKG-TPE
TPE-SEA (direct from Taipei to Seattle)
Total $255 taxes & fees/pp
May 28, 2014, 5:58 am
#2882
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 309
Does anyone know what the stopover rules are for routes that do not originate or terminate in NA?
I'm toying with the idea of a PER-AKL redemption, and am wondering if it's possible to work in a SYD stopover. Of course this word all be nested inside a two-stopover Asian/OZ redemption....Maybe I'm just playing with fire?
The idea is to do something like:
YYC - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE (stop)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - PER (Stop) (nearly all of these gateways fit under MPM)
*NESTED*
PER - SYD (stop)
SYD - AKL (dest.)
AKL - PER
*END NESTED BOOKING*
PER - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG (Stop - This will be different then the on visited on the o/b)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA/YVR - YYC
I'm toying with the idea of a PER-AKL redemption, and am wondering if it's possible to work in a SYD stopover. Of course this word all be nested inside a two-stopover Asian/OZ redemption....Maybe I'm just playing with fire?
The idea is to do something like:
YYC - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE (stop)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - PER (Stop) (nearly all of these gateways fit under MPM)
*NESTED*
PER - SYD (stop)
SYD - AKL (dest.)
AKL - PER
*END NESTED BOOKING*
PER - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG (Stop - This will be different then the on visited on the o/b)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA/YVR - YYC
Last edited by BMGfan; May 28, 2014 at 6:05 am
May 28, 2014, 4:10 pm
#2884
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: ZRH/YXU
Programs: A3*G, OZ*G, OW Sapphire
Posts: 526
28.4. Intracontinental travel (travel within the same continent) except for travel within Canada/Continental USA, or between Canada/Cont. USA and Hawaii/Puerto Rico/Mexico/Central America/Caribbean: Stopovers are not permitted. One open jaw is permitted.
My question: could you not make AKL your point of turnaround, and book everything as one redemption, or is the MPM, as I assume too short YYC-AKL to fit in Asia? Wouldn't YYC-SIN-SYD/AKL possibly be a published route?
Also, here a link to AP rules for awards for future reference: RULES
May 28, 2014, 4:11 pm
#2885
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,567
Not really sure how you intend to go from Perth to Sydney, given that there are no intra-Australia Star Alliance carriers... Taking a detour to Singapore doesn't seem likely either
May 28, 2014, 4:17 pm
#2886
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: ZRH/YXU
Programs: A3*G, OZ*G, OW Sapphire
Posts: 526
PER-AKL might be an option on NZ, but I cant see any availability until the end of July. You could buy a tix AKL-SYD for a fair price if SYD is a must.
May 28, 2014, 10:56 pm
#2887
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,389
Does anyone know what the stopover rules are for routes that do not originate or terminate in NA?
I'm toying with the idea of a PER-AKL redemption, and am wondering if it's possible to work in a SYD stopover. Of course this word all be nested inside a two-stopover Asian/OZ redemption....Maybe I'm just playing with fire?
The idea is to do something like:
YYC - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE (stop)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - PER (Stop) (nearly all of these gateways fit under MPM)
*NESTED*
PER - SYD (stop)
SYD - AKL (dest.)
AKL - PER
*END NESTED BOOKING*
PER - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG (Stop - This will be different then the on visited on the o/b)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA/YVR - YYC
I'm toying with the idea of a PER-AKL redemption, and am wondering if it's possible to work in a SYD stopover. Of course this word all be nested inside a two-stopover Asian/OZ redemption....Maybe I'm just playing with fire?
The idea is to do something like:
YYC - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE (stop)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - PER (Stop) (nearly all of these gateways fit under MPM)
*NESTED*
PER - SYD (stop)
SYD - AKL (dest.)
AKL - PER
*END NESTED BOOKING*
PER - NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG (Stop - This will be different then the on visited on the o/b)
NRT/SIN/BKK/TPE/ICN/PVG/HKG - SFO/SEA/YVR
SFO/SEA/YVR - YYC
May 29, 2014, 7:27 am
#2888
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 309
In other words, not possible, unless you can make some kind of open jaw out of it.
My question: could you not make AKL your point of turnaround, and book everything as one redemption, or is the MPM, as I assume too short YYC-AKL to fit in Asia? Wouldn't YYC-SIN-SYD/AKL possibly be a published route?
Also, here a link to AP rules for awards for future reference: RULES
My question: could you not make AKL your point of turnaround, and book everything as one redemption, or is the MPM, as I assume too short YYC-AKL to fit in Asia? Wouldn't YYC-SIN-SYD/AKL possibly be a published route?
Also, here a link to AP rules for awards for future reference: RULES
AKL and SYD don't have the MPM or availability to use them as POTs. SIN has great MPM, but is physically much closer and can't be used.
May 31, 2014, 6:07 pm
#2889
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SE, FOTSG Platinum
Posts: 5,850
Silly question I'm sure, but I'm seeing some past itineraries here with a mix of J and F seats.
Does that come from booking a J award and getting lucky (up to F) on a couple of legs, or booking an F award and getting screwed (down to J) on a couple of legs?
Does that come from booking a J award and getting lucky (up to F) on a couple of legs, or booking an F award and getting screwed (down to J) on a couple of legs?
May 31, 2014, 7:16 pm
#2890
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC: E50K, AP: dDiamond
Posts: 963
The latter. You definitely do not "get lucky" and upgrade to F for free, at least not on booking (and likely not ever).
Jun 1, 2014, 8:57 am
#2891
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,669
And from my experience, even AC won't bump people up if their award was booked in a higher class.
I was seated in Y on JFK-YYZ on an F award and wasn't upgraded even though the J cabin only had 1 passenger.
I was also seated in Y on TXL-FRA on LH because of a mess up on Aeroplan's part (ANA showed availability but numerous AP agents couldn't get J space to show up - I gave up fighting as the LH regional J is just a Y seat with the middle blocked off.) In the end the LH agent blocked off the middle seat for me at check-in.
I was seated in Y on JFK-YYZ on an F award and wasn't upgraded even though the J cabin only had 1 passenger.
I was also seated in Y on TXL-FRA on LH because of a mess up on Aeroplan's part (ANA showed availability but numerous AP agents couldn't get J space to show up - I gave up fighting as the LH regional J is just a Y seat with the middle blocked off.) In the end the LH agent blocked off the middle seat for me at check-in.
Jun 2, 2014, 11:49 am
#2892
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,465
You are supposed to get onto an upgrade waitlist (behind all others) on AC metal if booked in Y on a J or F Aeroplan award. Were you on Aeroplan award? Did you ask to be placed on the upgrade waitlist at the airport?
Jun 2, 2014, 12:16 pm
#2893
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,932
Is it behind all others? I've always wondered what the exact sequencing is. An Aeroplan award has similar weigth to full fare in flexibility, so do they really get thrown behind the E35Ks with their 5 eUps?
Jun 2, 2014, 1:10 pm
#2895
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,932
