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Old Mar 2, 2016, 1:16 pm
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No YQ airlines/routes/countries

NZ, CM, AV, O6, NH, SQ, ET

UA:

All flights except from U.S to: ICN

AC:

Within North America

TPAC flights originated from Canada to:
Japan(NRT,HND,KIX), Australia(SYD,BNE)

For TPAC arriving to Canada:
YQ-free countries/cities (see below)
ex-Australia flights (SYD, BNE)

All TATL flights

List of YQ-free cities/countries:

Hong Kong (depart only)
Brazil (depart only)
Philippines (depart only)
Thailand (depart only)
South Korea (depart only)

For Japan:
Departing flights base on J class direct fights from NRT
Example: NRT-ZRH on LX, NRT-FRA on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, AI, NZ, ET, LO, ZH

Less then 20 Euros YQ: LH, SK, CA, OZ, BR, SQ, LX, TK

Greater than 20 Euros YQ: TG (94 Euros)

NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for most of it's destination

Arriving flights base on J class direct fights to NRT
Example: ZRH- NRT on LX, FRA-NRT on LH

No YQ: UA, AC, TG, NZ, OZ

Less than 20 Euros YQ: BR (14 Euros)

20 - 100 Euros YQ: SQ (20 Euros SIN-NRT, 26 Euros LAX-NRT), ET(95 Euros), CA (41 Euros), ZH (40 Euros)

Greater than 100 Euros: LH (246 Euros), AI (185 Euros), LO (177 Euros), SK (135 Euros), LX(262 Euros), TK (130 Euros)

Again, NH has less than 20 Euros YQ for flights arriving to NRT.


YQ + Fee for award flights, feel free to add more on the list (at the end of it) if you have made a recent redemption.

TK SFO-IST-TLV 237,90 Euro
LH SFO-FRA-TLV 376,76 Euro
UA&LH SFO-FRA(UA)-TLV(LH) 104,77 Euro
SIN-FRA (SQ) Y - 181,75 Euro
SIN-DEL(AI)-FRA(LH) J - 257,15 Euro
HKG-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,72 Euro
TPE-IST-FRA (TK) Y - 149,75 Euro
TPE-PEK-FRA (CA) J - 149,43 Euro
YYZ-SFO(AC)-TPE (UA) Y - 159,28 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) Y - 191,24 Euro
YYZ-PVG(AC)-TPE (BR) J - 227,41 Euro
FRA-YUL (AC) Y - 104,00 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL (AC) Y - 182,00 Euro
FRA-YYZ-YUL (AC) Y - 142,99 Euro
FRA-LHR(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 187,00 Euro
BKK-HND (TG) Y - 111 Euros
CDG-PEK (CA) Y- 207,88 EUROS
CDG-PEK (CA) J - 298,44 EUROS
CDG-FRA-PEK (LH) Y - 209,13 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) Y - 264,52 EUROS
CDG-ICN-PEK (OZ) J - 305,04 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) Y - 164,31 EUROS
CDG-TPE (BR) J - 204,90 EUROS
CDG-PVG-TPE (CA) Y - 189,99 EUROS
CDG-ICN(OZ)-TPE(TG) - 301,70 EUROS
FRA-MUC-YUL J (LH) - 355,90 Euros
FRA-CDG(LH)-YUL(AC) J - 170.00 Euros
AC Y: 188,37 Euro YYZ-PEK
AC J: 238,77 Euro YYZ-PEK
UA Y: 79,74 Euro YYZ-ORD-PEK
ATH-CAI-AUH (MS) Y - 148,07 EUROS
AKL-SIN (NZ) Y - 41,03 Euros
ORD-NRT (NH) Y,J,C - 44,17 Euros
ORD-NRT (UA) Y,J,C - 41,42 Euros
JFK - SIN- MEL (SQ) Y -789,00 Euros
ZRH - HKG (Y) LX - 260,06 EUR
ZRH-FRA-HKG (Y) LH - 281,33 EUR
NRT-ORD (Y) NH - 73,43 EUR
MNL-BKK-SIN (J) (TG) - 31,40 Euros
BKK-MNL (TG) (Y)- 84,76 Euros
MNL-SIN (SQ) (J) - 30,46 Euros
---2016----
HKG-FRA-BUD (LH) C - 114.24 Euros (all cost; one-way; as of 2016-Mar)
BKK-NRT (TG) J - 131.79 Euros
MIA-VIE-FRA (OS) C - 458.76 Euro*
* date change with same airline and route = 20 eur/pp
change route = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
same date but change to other airline = 40 eur/pp (cancel and rebook)
ARN-FRA-LAX (LH) C/F - 296.26 Euro (OW 276.26 YQ + 20 fee per person; booked in 2015)
YYC-DEN (UA) Y 101 euros with 20 booking fee
LIS-IST-GYD (TK) (J) 22k + 160 taxes one way [of these YR=98] [taxes were the same for LH+TP]
MNL-ADD-MXP (ET) (Y) - 11,47
MUC-CDG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 210,05 Euro
MUC-LHR(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 249,80 Euro
MUC-HKG(LH)-TPE(BR) (J) - 334,08 Euro
MUC-IST(TK)-TPE(BR) (J) - 162,26 Euro
KIX-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 95,23 Euro
NRT-SIN-DPS J (NH,SQ) - 93,45 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB Y (AC, SA) - 208,85 Euro
YYZ-FRA-JNB J (LH, SA) - 583,31 Euro
YUL-LAX-AKL J (AC, NZ) - 105,27 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS Y (SQ) - 175,89 Euro
ICN-SIN-DPS J (SQ) - 200,08 Euro
YYZ-NRT Y (AC) - 57,21 Euros
PEK-YVR Y (AC) - 164,84 Euros
PEK-NRT-YVR Y, J (NH) - 181,26 Euros
DEL-YYZ - Y (AC) - 386,76 Euros
BNE-YVR - Y (AC) - 75,61 Euros
LCA-VIE-BKK-VIE-LCA J (OS) 580
YYZ-PVG - Y (AC) 182,83 Euros
YYZ-ORD-PVG - Y (UA) - 76,54 Euros
YVR-SFO-ICN - Y (UA) - 139,96 Euros
YVR-ICN - Y (AC) - 120,09 Euros
PVG-YYZ - Y (AC) 175,49 Euros
PVG-ORD-YYZ - Y (UA) - 51,45 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 116,62 Euros
CDG-HND - J (NH) - 115,43 Euros
CMN-FRA-CDG - J (LH) - 189,00 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - Y (LH) - 161,16 Euros
ATH-FRA-RAK - J (LH) - 167,16 Euros
CDG-TPE-HKG - Y (BR) - 133,09 Euros
TPE-ICN - Y (OZ) - 46,00 Euros
YUL-ZRH-GVA - Y (LX) - 269,34 Euros
CDG-FRA-HND - J (LH,NH) - 160,65 Euros
CDG-MUC-HND - J (LH,NH) - 157,90 Euros
YUL-MUC-BKK - Y (LH,TG) - 344,40 Euros
YUL-IST-BKK - Y, J (TK) - 280,30 Euros
ADD-LAX - Y (ET) - 248,87 Euros
ADD-LHR-LAX - Y (ET, UA) - 169,36 Euros
ADD-IST-LAX - J (TK) - 291,38 Euros
TPE-IST-CDG - J (TK) - 218,91 Euros
TPE-SIN-CDG - Y (SQ) - 273,08 Euros
ICN-TPE-VIE - J (OZ,BR) - 52,94 Euros(total cost,flights in April 2017)
FRA-CPH - Y (LH) - 97,09
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 288,62 Euros
YYZ-LGA//JFK-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 332,00 Euros
YYZ-ADD-JNB (Y) (ET) - 302,79 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (Y) (AC,SA) - 200,36 Euros
YYZ-LHR-JNB (J) (AC,SA) - 273,58 Euros
NRT-PEK-ADD (Y,J) (NH,ET) - 156,96 Euros
NRT-PVG-ADD (Y) (NH, ET) - 156,96 Euros
YYZ-LIM (Y) (AC) - 141,99 Euros
YYZ-SAL-LIM , Y (AV) - 72,03 Euros
YYZ-TPE-HKG (Y,J) (BR) - 78,89 Euros
YYZ-ORD-HKG (Y) (UA) - 99,61 Euros
YYZ-EWR-HKG (Y) (UA)- 99,61 Euros
ORD-CDG (Y) (UA) - 25,27 Euros
ORD-FRA-CDG (LH) - 373,00 Euros
GVA-FRA-LAX and return JFK-GVA (LH, LX) - 487,96 Euros
----------------2017------------------
GRU-FRA-TLL (F,J) (LH) - 103,60 Euros
YYZ-SFO (J) (AC) - 64,55 Euros
YVR-HKG (Y) (AC) - 83,46 Euros
HKG-ICN-OKA (Y) (OZ) - 54,47 Euros
CPH-PVG-AKL (J) (SK/NZ) - ~200
TXL-FRA-BKK-FRA-TXL (J) (LH/TG/TG/LH) - 252 Euros
SIN-HND (J) (SQ) - 42,88 Euros
ZRH-BKK-MEL (J) (TG) - 49.22
GVA-ZRH-YUL (J,Y) (LX) - 256,44
HKG-ICN (Y) (OZ) - 25.54
SIN-CPH (Y) (SQ) - 103,31
SIN-LHR-CPH (Y) (SQ,SK) - 103,31
FRA-CAI-SSH (C) (MS) - 177 EUR
FRA-IST-SSH (C) (TK) - 197 EUR
YYZ-DUB (J) (AC) - EUR68.11 (EUR48.11+EUR20 fee)
HKG-IST-GOT (J) (TK) - EUR110.71 (EUR90.71 + EUR20 fee; ticketed in Aug 2017; one-way)
SFO-TUS (Y) (UA) - EUR32,11 (EUR12,11 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TUS-SFO (Y) (UA) - EUR31,85 (EUR11,85 + EUR20 fee. Ticketed in Sep 2017; one way)
TXL-IST-SIN/ BKK-ZUR-TXL (J) (TK/SQ/TG/LX) 231.74 + 20 fee
EWR-PDX (Y) (UA) - EURO 31.87
SIN-BKK-CDG (J) TG - 77,08
SIN-CDG (Y) SQ - 41,45
SIN-FRA-CDG (Y) LH - 252,39
SIN-IST (J) SQ - 41,53
SIN-IST (J) TK - 176,89
YUL-ZRH (J) - 360,72
----------------2018------------------
BKK-ARN-TLL (J) TG,SK - 92 (flights in 2019) online booking
BLZ-ADD-GRU (J) ET - 29.54 online
GRU-ZHR-LCY (J) LX- 30 online
YUL-LYS-VIE / VIE-GVA-YUL (J); 197 online (AC/OS)
HKG-IST-HEL (Y one-way on TK; flights in 2019) - 40,000miles plus EUR81.33, online booking (post #1635)
SIN-SFO (J) SQ - 43.6 online booking
----------------2019------------------
CPH-LIS-GIG (J) TP (46.5) online
BKK-PVG (J) TG - 64.67 online
LAX-ARN-HEL (J) SK - 12.50 online
CPH-LIS (Y) TP - (36,70) online
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - (151) online (flight in Apr2020)
HKG-TPE (J) BR (53.28) online (redemption in Aug 2019)
EZE-GRU (J) ET 61.60 online
EZE-GRU (J) TK 61.60 online
VIE-BKK-TPE-SFO (J) BR - 240.00 (YQ) + 60.99 (Taxes etc.) online (flight in summer 2020)
LAX-HND-LHR (F) NH - 135.82 (YQ) + 15.97 (Taxes etc.) online (flight in fall 2020)
LHR-HND-LAX (F) NH Round-Trip + 569.23 online pre-devaluation
AC CDG-YYZ-YYJ Euro 98.85 (Eco, 35k miles, oneway, booked Oct 2021, inlcudes Euro 36.- YQ)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 98.46 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked Feb 2022 - inlcudes Euro 61.31 YR)
SQ+TK REP-SIN-IST-NCE Euro 102.18 (Eco, 60k miles, oneway, booked March 2022 - includes Euro 63.36 YR plus another 0.44 YR)
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Please report your Star Alliance award redemption experiences

Old Dec 29, 2022, 8:22 am
  #2641  
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Programs: Alaska
Posts: 2,171
Originally Posted by gnomey


this is one example that i can remember playing around with. it's not exactly RT pricing for both economy and business. but it's not the supposed OW pricing.

is it because Aegean doesnt allow mixed metal? when i check other gateways, i do see the appropriate one-way pricing (with one metal, i think - but i dont think i was looking very carefully so this hypothesis might just be debunked)

what do you mean by 'change in flight number'? an itinerary that has a layover is bound to have a change in flight number, if you connect to another plane, isnt it? (most of the time anyway, unless it's tagged flight)
max 2 segments for Aegean. 3 segments means 2 segments + 1 segment price

mixed class is even worth. if 2 segments will be charged per segment in its class.
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Old Dec 29, 2022, 8:38 am
  #2642  
 
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Originally Posted by freed0m
max 2 segments for Aegean. 3 segments means 2 segments + 1 segment price

mixed class is even worth. if 2 segments will be charged per segment in its class.
i see, thank you.

regarding second sentence, this means you dont get the benefit of "through booking" because they are now evaluating it on per leg basis?
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Old Dec 29, 2022, 9:07 am
  #2643  
 
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Originally Posted by NextWhiteDeath
Partner airline never see non saver award seats. Those seats are usually under a different booking class that isn't the X, R, I, O that A* uses for awards.
Most likely a glitch. A3 has them often.
I know that in one world there are some issues with award as AA uses one of the award buckets also for revenue tickets.
i thought the same too. but AS for example can see non-saver awards for partner airlines, it is just that you pay obscene number of miles (200K for non-saver vs 75K for saver)
that's why i got confused.

but freed0m explained that it's max 2 segments, so now it is clear
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Old Dec 29, 2022, 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by gnomey
i thought the same too. but AS for example can see non-saver awards for partner airlines, it is just that you pay obscene number of miles (200K for non-saver vs 75K for saver)
that's why i got confused.

but freed0m explained that it's max 2 segments, so now it is clear
Isn't AS pricing just some weird dynamic pricing on their part? I haven't heard that they get special access to award space.
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Old Dec 29, 2022, 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by NextWhiteDeath
Isn't AS pricing just some weird dynamic pricing on their part? I haven't heard that they get special access to award space.
no, I dont think it is dynamic. 200K only shows up on days when AA doesnt show any for the same partner X space.

but it is probably gonna be dynamic soon since they just published a new award chart.
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Old Dec 29, 2022, 3:24 pm
  #2646  
 
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Originally Posted by gnomey
i see, thank you.

regarding second sentence, this means you dont get the benefit of "through booking" because they are now evaluating it on per leg basis?
No through pricing for mixed class, on per leg basis.
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Old Dec 30, 2022, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by gnomey


this is one example that i can remember playing around with. it's not exactly RT pricing for both economy and business. but it's not the supposed OW pricing.
Even though you didn't expand the two booking classes (which would have shed some light on whether or not one of the flights doesn't have availability on either cabin, which might have even caused this to ticket as 3 separate segments!), this looks pretty straight forward! A one way from North America to the far east is at 50k/75k in eco and biz respectively and a one way inside far east is 17,5k/32,5k respectively. Hence the sums 67,5k and 107,5k for economy and business class respectively.
As mentioned, Aegean only allows for 2 segments (with different flight numbers, which, of course, is almost always the case) to be combined (for the price of a single one way award ticket, so if you'd finished your trip at SIN it would have only been 50k/75k), unless there's just a "pit stop" where you basically land, take on some more pax and fuel and take off again on the same plane (of course you may need to deplane briefly for the refueling process), like with BR's flights that briefly stop at BKK before continuing on, in which case those effectively "two" flights only count as one segment and a "third" one can be added without additional pricing (as long as the class of travel doesn't change). There's even (well, there was last time I checked in 2019) a United Airlines island hopper in the pacific ocean with something like 5 or 7 (can't remember ​​​​​​) segments, that only count as a single one!
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Old Dec 31, 2022, 11:34 am
  #2648  
 
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Originally Posted by freed0m
please share examples.
multiple examples in my next post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34873279-post2638.html

Aegeans policy on this has actually changed. It used to be that stopovers were only permitted without a change of flight number. Current policy is more lax but has the inscrutable requirement of having end to end award space availability which you have no way to see directly (other than looking at the number of miles being charged).
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Old Dec 31, 2022, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by giorginho
Even though you didn't expand the two booking classes (which would have shed some light on whether or not one of the flights doesn't have availability on either cabin, which might have even caused this to ticket as 3 separate segments!), this looks pretty straight forward! A one way from North America to the far east is at 50k/75k in eco and biz respectively and a one way inside far east is 17,5k/32,5k respectively. Hence the sums 67,5k and 107,5k for economy and business class respectively.
As mentioned, Aegean only allows for 2 segments (with different flight numbers, which, of course, is almost always the case) to be combined (for the price of a single one way award ticket, so if you'd finished your trip at SIN it would have only been 50k/75k), unless there's just a "pit stop" where you basically land, take on some more pax and fuel and take off again on the same plane (of course you may need to deplane briefly for the refueling process), like with BR's flights that briefly stop at BKK before continuing on, in which case those effectively "two" flights only count as one segment and a "third" one can be added without additional pricing (as long as the class of travel doesn't change). There's even (well, there was last time I checked in 2019) a United Airlines island hopper in the pacific ocean with something like 5 or 7 (can't remember ​​​​​​) segments, that only count as a single one!
thanks for the explanation. now i get why flight number is important. but there are not that many flights that do tech stop though.

actually i did expand, but dont see any significant info because i dont have enough miles (?), i also cant proceed to the next page.
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Old Dec 31, 2022, 1:14 pm
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what's the marriott transfer time for you guys? been 3 days still nothing. i guess 3-5 is average?

are there any other source people use to fund this FFP?
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Old Dec 31, 2022, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by gnomey
thanks for the explanation. now i get why flight number is important. but there are not that many flights that do tech stop though.

actually i did expand, but dont see any significant info because i dont have enough miles (?), i also cant proceed to the next page.
You don't see any significant info, because there simply isn't any! This is a perfectly normal 3-segmented one way, which results in that price in miles as already explained above. Of course the "pit stops" are only an exception to the rule, which dictates that you are only allowed one single stop (connection to a different flight) otherwise the system will charge the miles for another one-way on top!
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Old Dec 31, 2022, 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by gnomey
what's the marriott transfer time for you guys? been 3 days still nothing. i guess 3-5 is average?

are there any other source people use to fund this FFP?
Some of us fund it with, you know, flights.
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Old Jan 1, 2023, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by lensovet
multiple examples in my next post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34873279-post2638.html

Aegeans policy on this has actually changed. It used to be that stopovers were only permitted without a change of flight number. Current policy is more lax but has the inscrutable requirement of having end to end award space availability which you have no way to see directly (other than looking at the number of miles being charged).
I saw plenty of 45K for eco and 65K for business. So what's the problem?
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Old Jan 1, 2023, 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by freed0m
I saw plenty of 45K for eco and 65K for business. So what's the problem?
Im not sure what problem youre referring to. You asked for examples of where having a layover causes the itinerary to price out as two awards instead of one. I shared a screenshot that literally shows two such itineraries.

whats the problem indeed.
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Old Jan 1, 2023, 2:46 am
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Originally Posted by lensovet
Im not sure what problem youre referring to. You asked for examples of where having a layover causes the itinerary to price out as two awards instead of one. I shared a screenshot that literally shows two such itineraries.

whats the problem indeed.
you did not even expand the selection of flights. There are valid reason that some connections are priced as two awards, e.g. mixed class are always priced as two awards.

depending on which leg has business instead of econ, the price will be different. e.g. the short or the long leg only has business availability.
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