View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
Voters: 298. You may not vote on this poll
Nov 12, 2013, 2:24 pm
Last edit by: aztimm
Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
Jul 30, 2013, 2:34 pm
#1126
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: PHL
Programs: AA(PPro), UA, AGR, BW(Plat), HH, WoH, MB(S)
Posts: 778
PHL would be good. I love the day fight to London. I took VS18 out of EWR a few years ago. You leave at 8am, get into LHR at 8pm, tube to Central London, hotel room ready, late meal, call it a night. Next morning: feel great and ready to go. That compared to sleeping, at most, a couple of hours on the overnight flight, getting to London in the morning only to find your room will not be ready until 3pm. Half awake and homeless.
I think the big issue with the day flight is poor aircraft utilization. BA and VS can make it work with onward flights in the late evening. For a carrier like US, a flight getting into LHR at 8pm really has nowhere to go until the morning. Then it obviously can't get back to PHL in time to cover the morning flight back to LHR.
I think the big issue with the day flight is poor aircraft utilization. BA and VS can make it work with onward flights in the late evening. For a carrier like US, a flight getting into LHR at 8pm really has nowhere to go until the morning. Then it obviously can't get back to PHL in time to cover the morning flight back to LHR.
Jul 30, 2013, 3:37 pm
#1127
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 2,290
I think the big issue with the day flight is poor aircraft utilization. BA and VS can make it work with onward flights in the late evening. For a carrier like US, a flight getting into LHR at 8pm really has nowhere to go until the morning. Then it obviously can't get back to PHL in time to cover the morning flight back to LHR.
Jul 30, 2013, 3:45 pm
#1128
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: PHL
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Lifetime Plat, SPG Plat, AMEX Plat, Hertz PC, Travels too Much Platinum
Posts: 3,290
Time will tell whether there would be demand for this, and the amount of valid connections into PHL before it were to leave would also be a big factor - in spite of PHL's decent local traffic, it doesn't rival NYC on London traffic, and there really isn't much in the way of onward late evening connections from LHR either. You already covered the aircraft utilization issue, though I would expect landing slots to be (much, much) cheaper for an evening arrival. This may not be the case for an early morning westbound departure.
From the business traveler perspective, this effectively wastes a day, though I do sympathize with the issues of leaving in the evening and arriving in London in the morning for some in terms of adjusting to the new time zone. Just because I can easily travel 5-7 time zones and land in Europe and function the next day doesn't mean everyone can.
From the business traveler perspective, this effectively wastes a day, though I do sympathize with the issues of leaving in the evening and arriving in London in the morning for some in terms of adjusting to the new time zone. Just because I can easily travel 5-7 time zones and land in Europe and function the next day doesn't mean everyone can.
Jul 30, 2013, 7:29 pm
#1130
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CAE,AGS
Programs: AAExP, Hyatt Globalist, HHonors Gold, IHG Spire, Marriott Plat
Posts: 3,124
^ There will be a lot of things to be missed if the program leans towards the AA side of things... affordable upgrades, I agree, is definitely one of them.
Jul 30, 2013, 9:16 pm
#1131
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: in the vicinity of SFO
Programs: AA 2MM (LT-PLT, PPro for this year)
Posts: 19,781
Jul 31, 2013, 2:21 am
#1132
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: TYO / WAS / NYC
Programs: American Express got a hit man lookin' for me
Posts: 4,596
Actually, to the contrary, as transoceanic wi-fi becomes more common, daytime flights will waste less time than red-eyes for people who can't sleep in an airplane seat.
Jul 31, 2013, 8:37 am
#1133
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,392
Well, no, but it's the idea that since everyone isn't getting upgraded automatically, there may be more upgrade space available for those that do want to request it for that flight.
I'm in the 75% range as a Silver as well, but my hope is that maybe I'll now have a shot at some of those BOS-PHX or CLT-XXX legs - both from the BOS-PHX connecting traffic getting partially offloaded to BOS-DFW for connections and the people not requesting upgrades for whatever reason. I could do without some of the PWM-DCA/PHL upgrades if it means a shot at some longer flights in F.
Now, if the above is wishful thinking, you can just tell me that and I'll accept it.
I'm in the 75% range as a Silver as well, but my hope is that maybe I'll now have a shot at some of those BOS-PHX or CLT-XXX legs - both from the BOS-PHX connecting traffic getting partially offloaded to BOS-DFW for connections and the people not requesting upgrades for whatever reason. I could do without some of the PWM-DCA/PHL upgrades if it means a shot at some longer flights in F.
Now, if the above is wishful thinking, you can just tell me that and I'll accept it.
Jul 31, 2013, 9:15 am
#1134
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
Well, I think I've seen you over in the AS forum - it sounds like I might just go for AS MVPG if I stop getting upgraded on AA/US. Out of BOS, I'd at least stand a good chance of a transcon upgrade - I've been monitoring the BOS-SAN upgrade list and F cabin space and it's leaving with an empty list/open seats fairly often. Assuming the merged airline doesn't change, at least AS elites have access to AA MCE, right? That's pretty good if I wasn't getting upgraded anyway.
Jul 31, 2013, 9:17 am
#1135
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: LHR
Programs: Ex-NWA Plat
Posts: 1,480
Early 2014 transition from *A to OW
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...e-done-by-2014
Announcement for the approximate date of the changeover from Star Alliance to One World for US Airways
Announcement for the approximate date of the changeover from Star Alliance to One World for US Airways
Jul 31, 2013, 2:40 pm
#1136
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 656
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...e-done-by-2014
Announcement for the approximate date of the changeover from Star Alliance to One World for US Airways
Announcement for the approximate date of the changeover from Star Alliance to One World for US Airways
Jul 31, 2013, 3:17 pm
#1137
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: DCA
Programs: AA PPro, Mariott Ambassador, B6 Mosaic, SBUX Gold, Best Buy Elite
Posts: 1,838
more than likely it was a sticker that was worn off resulting in a "clean" spot on the paint, which would have looked like it was painted over. I would find it hard to believe US would do anything like that ahead of the merger being finalized.
Jul 31, 2013, 3:19 pm
#1138
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SFO / SJC / OAK
Programs: AS / CSR / AMEX
Posts: 266
They may have slowly started to transition out. My flight's last weekend still announced US as a Star Alliance member so I guess until they end that relationship, they'll still announce it
Jul 31, 2013, 8:58 pm
#1139
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: PDX
Programs: AA Plat + SPG Plat
Posts: 235
On a recent PHL-PDX transcon the credit card pitch included some new verbiage, something about the miles being "good to use on any *A airline" and "and OW after the summer."
Aug 1, 2013, 12:11 am
#1140
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Usually in SAN or Central Europe.
Programs: AA:EXP/1MM. Accor/Radisson:Silver; HH:Gold; ICH:Plt Amb.
Posts: 22,307
Well, I think I've seen you over in the AS forum - it sounds like I might just go for AS MVPG if I stop getting upgraded on AA/US. Out of BOS, I'd at least stand a good chance of a transcon upgrade - I've been monitoring the BOS-SAN upgrade list and F cabin space and it's leaving with an empty list/open seats fairly often. Assuming the merged airline doesn't change, at least AS elites have access to AA MCE, right? That's pretty good if I wasn't getting upgraded anyway.