View Poll Results: Is an American Airlines/US Airways merger good for the traveling public?
Yes
84
28.19%
No
214
71.81%
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Note:
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
There is an existing thread in the AA forum that may be useful to US and AA Flyertalkers:
US-AA Merger: Just the Facts thread
As facts become posted, that should be the place to look.
Merger discussion, speculation, and other questions can be directed here, or the similar thread in the AA forum:
MERGER: US and AA 9 Dec 2013 and implications for AA flyers (new)
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated, and now closed to new posts)
US/AA merger- MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD/incl 'when will US leave STAR'
#1081
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VCE
Posts: 14,165
This is a bit of an understatement- at the AA "Admirals Club" i have found very little to "eat" that does not come in a plastic package. The lounge at EZE is also on my top 10 list of "worst lounges in the world" and even to drink there is nothing but warm beer.
#1082
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Also, CP includes some upgrades similar to SWUs.
Oh, and please tell me where I can redeem 90,000 AA miles to fly the following itinerary in C class: SEA-ICN(overnight)-HKG(stop)-BKK(overnight)-FRA(overnight, could have taken stop)-SEA, if you're going to get all about US redemptions. Because I've booked that using US miles. Incidentally, I've never had elite status on US. Ever. Never flown US for more than a few thousand miles a year.
Anyone who thinks that US miles don't have good value for redemptions is pretty clueless about the value of US miles.
#1083
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: los angeles, calif.
Programs: Alaska Airlines Gold MVP
Posts: 7,170
All AA clubs have complimentary wine, beer and house brand spirits (premium brand is complimentary in clubs outside United States/Toronto).
Yes, I know.
US does not give eight SWUs that can be freely transfered and used on any fares. It gives two upgrades. And for some audacious reason it's the only way to use elite upgrades on Hawaii flights, while AA treats Hawaii upgrades like any other domestic flight (yet another reason to be excited about AAdvantage - you'll have real first class service to Hawai'i and can use regular elite upgrades to enjoy it).
I'm not denying that US miles can be used on a wider variety of options, Star Alliance is the largest, after all.
I am saying that AA miles are easier to redeem. Finding low-level redemptions isn't a chore like with everybody else.
Also, CP includes some upgrades similar to SWUs.
Oh, and please tell me where I can redeem 90,000 AA miles to fly the following itinerary in C class: SEA-ICN(overnight)-HKG(stop)-BKK(overnight)-FRA(overnight, could have taken stop)-SEA, if you're going to get all about US redemptions. Because I've booked that using US miles. Incidentally, I've never had elite status on US. Ever. Never flown US for more than a few thousand miles a year.
I am saying that AA miles are easier to redeem. Finding low-level redemptions isn't a chore like with everybody else.
#1084
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 226
Until US is OW affiliated 11/01, the only additional clubs that can be used are AA Admirals Clubs. Also, I don't imagine that even post-OW that paid lounge memberships will granted BA G club access, or any other international C/F lounge access (not even AA Flagship will be granted UNLESS flying intl with a lounge membership). .
As for the big A lounge, on the first day of viable schedule change 09/09, we should be co-locating with each other at airports where we have already planned to do so with the airport authority. No announcements yet as to specific co-location, but my best guess would be that in PHL the AA club will be shut down since A, B/C, and F clubs are standing. .
#1085
Join Date: Aug 2008
Programs: HHonors Gold, Marriott Lifetime Gold, IHG Gold, OZ*G, AA Gold, AS MVP
Posts: 1,874
#1086
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VCE
Posts: 14,165
And what about Heathrow where the majority of people prefer to go to the CX lounge or DEN where the BA lounge started to ask AA customers NOT to come in as they were getting overloaded- hardly the signs of a strong lounge program.
#1087
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: PIT
Posts: 759
IMO, BA will not close their Lounge and the existing US clubs will simply change to AA clubs. The BA lounge is designed to uniquely support their premium business services - including their pre-flight Supper services and is only available, by contract, to AA card holders until 7PM. The shared club was intended as a temporary measure while AA (before merger mania) moved from A-East to "D" and developed another Club there. Also, with the One World change, BA will possibly add 1 or 2 additional LHR flights, or at least up-gauge the one 767 to a 2nd 777 and need more club space. Add to that, at least 1 additional One World carrier (QR) will be entering PHL next year and will need access to either an AA or BA (more likely) lounge.
#1088
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: los angeles, calif.
Programs: Alaska Airlines Gold MVP
Posts: 7,170
The ONLY thing to drink at all in the very overcrowded lounge at EZE was warm beer in the can (no glasses available). Hardly what I would call "flagship service". The AA "club"/lounge in GRU is not much better but at least has a somewhat functional espresso machine (self serve) and usually has some fresh fruit.
And what about Heathrow where the majority of people prefer to go to the CX lounge or DEN where the BA lounge started to ask AA customers NOT to come in as they were getting overloaded- hardly the signs of a strong lounge program.
And, by the way, AA and BA co-operate a lounge in Denver. Interesting to know that BA lounge attendants redirect customers to the same exact lounge. What's that conversation like?
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#1089
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: body: A stone's throw from SFO, mind: SE Asia
Programs: Some of this 'n some of that
Posts: 17,263
If one uses US DM for an award and that is subsequently cancelled after Nov 1.... will they be assessed a cancellation fee if they have AA status?
#1090
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: VCE
Posts: 14,165
That's a lie, but believe what you wish. If you want to argue that AA lounges suck, fine, go ahead, you can have your opinion. But don't blatantly lie about the amenities that are offered.
I'm not denying that foreign carriers - which don't run on a membership system like U.S. airlines (and Qantas) - have better lounges. But what AA offers is vastly, ridiculously superior to the pathetic attempt of US Airways to offer a lounge.
And, by the way, AA and BA co-operate a lounge in Denver. Interesting to know that BA lounge attendants redirect customers to the same exact lounge. What's that conversation like?
I'm not denying that foreign carriers - which don't run on a membership system like U.S. airlines (and Qantas) - have better lounges. But what AA offers is vastly, ridiculously superior to the pathetic attempt of US Airways to offer a lounge.
And, by the way, AA and BA co-operate a lounge in Denver. Interesting to know that BA lounge attendants redirect customers to the same exact lounge. What's that conversation like?
This being said- I cannot really think of a reason I would "lie" nor "believe" regarding an airport lounge and rather simply report on what I have found. Please do go visit the new EK lounge plaza at terminal A Dubai and then go to an AAdmirals Flagship lounge for a first class flight. Or look at the massive threads here on Flyertalk about the Lufthansa lounge complexes in Frankfurt and Munich. Or even the Concorde room at London Heathrow. Or even the Maple Leaf Lounges at either Toronto or Montreal.
Or perhaps just pickup this new thread right here on the AA Forum thread on "which lounge to choose" where the common knowledge appears to be to avoid an AA lounge if possible:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...fw-lounge.html
In terms of the US Airways lounge at CLT I have found in general that at least it has some decent food which you can order off a menu and has one or two areas where it is not necessary to listen to the television at high volume. My very few visits to PHL I do also recall that it was not too bad at all- something I really could not say about for example the lovely AA clubs at ORD where it appears that at least bathroom cleaning is an optional exercise. And I cannot complain too much about this upcoming merger as combined with the daily nonstop from VCE with US and the upcoming also entrance of QR (which also by the way has a premium lounge concept at DOH far beyond anything I have seen anywhere in the United States of America) which has double dailies from VCE- it will be very easy to keep my BA gold card renewed for years to come which presumably is what we want for all of our fellow FTers.
Personally i won't be defending any airline nor their lounges- that just doesn't fall under my job description.
#1091
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Chicago
Programs: AA EXP, UA former 1K (1.9MM and gone), Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Diamond, SPG Plat
Posts: 1,111
Thanks for all the friendly comments and the objective conversation- getting called a "liar" is a new first and certainly is a significant intellectual challenge in terms of raising the bar on the conversation. Anyway please excuse me that the airport I was thinking of was DFW and not DEN. I do tend to get confused when speaking of USA airports as they all have the common themes of unnecessary security queues, typically very poor infrastructure, often concepts which were outdated since 1970, and lounges quite below anywhere else in at least EMEA and APEC areas.
This being said- I cannot really think of a reason I would "lie" nor "believe" regarding an airport lounge and rather simply report on what I have found. Please do go visit the new EK lounge plaza at terminal A Dubai and then go to an AAdmirals Flagship lounge for a first class flight. Or look at the massive threads here on Flyertalk about the Lufthansa lounge complexes in Frankfurt and Munich. Or even the Concorde room at London Heathrow. Or even the Maple Leaf Lounges at either Toronto or Montreal.
Or perhaps just pickup this new thread right here on the AA Forum thread on "which lounge to choose" where the common knowledge appears to be to avoid an AA lounge if possible:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...fw-lounge.html
In terms of the US Airways lounge at CLT I have found in general that at least it has some decent food which you can order off a menu and has one or two areas where it is not necessary to listen to the television at high volume. My very few visits to PHL I do also recall that it was not too bad at all- something I really could not say about for example the lovely AA clubs at ORD where it appears that at least bathroom cleaning is an optional exercise. And I cannot complain too much about this upcoming merger as combined with the daily nonstop from VCE with US and the upcoming also entrance of QR (which also by the way has a premium lounge concept at DOH far beyond anything I have seen anywhere in the United States of America) which has double dailies from VCE- it will be very easy to keep my BA gold card renewed for years to come which presumably is what we want for all of our fellow FTers.
Personally i won't be defending any airline nor their lounges- that just doesn't fall under my job description.
This being said- I cannot really think of a reason I would "lie" nor "believe" regarding an airport lounge and rather simply report on what I have found. Please do go visit the new EK lounge plaza at terminal A Dubai and then go to an AAdmirals Flagship lounge for a first class flight. Or look at the massive threads here on Flyertalk about the Lufthansa lounge complexes in Frankfurt and Munich. Or even the Concorde room at London Heathrow. Or even the Maple Leaf Lounges at either Toronto or Montreal.
Or perhaps just pickup this new thread right here on the AA Forum thread on "which lounge to choose" where the common knowledge appears to be to avoid an AA lounge if possible:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...fw-lounge.html
In terms of the US Airways lounge at CLT I have found in general that at least it has some decent food which you can order off a menu and has one or two areas where it is not necessary to listen to the television at high volume. My very few visits to PHL I do also recall that it was not too bad at all- something I really could not say about for example the lovely AA clubs at ORD where it appears that at least bathroom cleaning is an optional exercise. And I cannot complain too much about this upcoming merger as combined with the daily nonstop from VCE with US and the upcoming also entrance of QR (which also by the way has a premium lounge concept at DOH far beyond anything I have seen anywhere in the United States of America) which has double dailies from VCE- it will be very easy to keep my BA gold card renewed for years to come which presumably is what we want for all of our fellow FTers.
Personally i won't be defending any airline nor their lounges- that just doesn't fall under my job description.
As an EXP traveling internationally, the biggest difference for me is access to the 1W First Class lounges at major hubs, which I did not get with *A as a 1K on UA. This is worth far more than the few LH or other carrier lounges in the U.S, which most of us would never find convenient to use anyway. You can also complain about AA Flagship lounges not being up to international standards, but they're still a lot better than the domestic lounges that UA gives me for international trips.
#1092
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: DFW
Programs: AA EP 3MM, UA Silver, Bonvoy LT TIT, Hyatt Explorist, HH Silver, Caesars PLT
Posts: 7,259
OMG, I had to check my URL quickly. For a moment I thought I was on A-Net !! Really, bashing the US FF program and US Airways is a bit off topic in this Forum since most of us have used it and loved it for years. Further, buying miles provides access to all Star Alliance carriers, not just US Airways.
Parker is Not Horton and I'd bet the New AA will Not be the Old AA, as much as the AA Fan Boys would like it to be.
Parker is Not Horton and I'd bet the New AA will Not be the Old AA, as much as the AA Fan Boys would like it to be.
#1093
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: RBKC
Programs: AA EXP and Eurostar Carte Blanche
Posts: 3,851
^ to the merger as it should expand my options from LHR. to the merger due to concerns about decreased customer service standards and customer experience with incoming US management.
#1094
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
Such outrage over setting status top-offs! Because there are no shortcuts at AA. if you get status, you EARN it, of course. Every AA MM/2MM got that way from actually flying, and not from dragging dollar coins to the bank.....
There was an earlier post along the lines of "we can argue all day about whose pig has the brightest lipstick. But at the end of the day, it's still a pig."
There was an earlier post along the lines of "we can argue all day about whose pig has the brightest lipstick. But at the end of the day, it's still a pig."
#1095
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 3,529
Or perhaps just pickup this new thread right here on the AA Forum thread on "which lounge to choose" where the common knowledge appears to be to avoid an AA lounge if possible:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...fw-lounge.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...fw-lounge.html
The DFW lounges are actually quite nice compared to the majority of domestic airport clubs, but AA does not operate a premium (Intl First Class) lounge at DFW like they do at their other hubs.