OFFICAL from Delta: Award Stopovers & Open Jaw GONE #Skymiles2015
Nov 18, 2014, 7:09 am
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Nov 18, 2014, 7:21 am
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Nov 18, 2014, 7:25 am
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Open jaw doesn't make much difference when one ways are priced at half as many miles as a RT. In fact, one could book it with a double open jaw (open jaw on each end). There will be a difference in change fees for those who aren't DM or PM in that cancelling two one way award tickets will cost twice as much as cancelling a RT ticket.
The big loss is free stopovers, which I've used sometimes to get availability.
The big loss is free stopovers, which I've used sometimes to get availability.
Nov 18, 2014, 7:56 am
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I guess you could draw an analogy to these current cases:
- Party of 4 travels XXX-YYY. This is 4 awards, but one PNR.
- Travel is USA-EU on Delta in mid, with onward connection (EU-EU) on partner (which has to price in low). This is two awards (DL mid and Partner low), but one PNR.
It is important to clarify this, because if two OW awards requires 2 PNRs, then yes, we will have increased fees and YQ on the EU-USA one-way award, which will be an increase. Ditto re 2 cancellation/change fees for those subject to them.
Nov 18, 2014, 8:19 am
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did not. Any one-way pricing less than 25,000 (for domestic for example) Delta could claim are awards available for lower miles than before.
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Nov 18, 2014, 8:25 am
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Don't be surprised if DL's objective is to cap off the value gotten by a customer from a redeemed mile at around $0.01 per mile on average. At that point, it ought to be clear to the general public that one-ways will rather frequently be more expensive than half the cost of a roundtrip redemption.
Nov 18, 2014, 8:31 am
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So in other words, this is a huge devaluation since if you want to "open jaw" with 2 one ways, you will also accrue the fuel surcharges on the Europe-USA one way flight.
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Nov 18, 2014, 9:16 am
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Nov 18, 2014, 9:20 am
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For Award Travel ticketed on or after January 1, 2015, all open jaw itineraries will be priced based on One-Way Award Travel pricing rules.
Nov 18, 2014, 9:34 am
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If you can post some examples or rules, great. Otherwise this is just speculation.
Nov 18, 2014, 9:47 am
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Not just gamers. Stopovers could be used for very legitimate purposes. For example this past June I took my two twenty something kids on a fantastic trip to South Africa. We had to transit thru LHR to get J award tix as they are rarely available on the ATL-JNB route. We did a 3 day legitimate stopover in London on the this trip. This helps a great deal with the long layover and exhausting travel and my daughter had never been to London. Does anyone know offhand how many miles this would have added? As it was I was lucky to still get in on 140k but I believe it is now 160k from the US to SA. And it will be even more with this new change.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.
Nov 18, 2014, 10:05 am
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This is a significant further devaluation of the SkyMiles program. Your example perfectly illustrates the best use of a stopover-transiting through a major hub onward to the destination. So now if you want to stop in London, you are confronted with mileage redemption for two trips. I am familiar with the "end add on" that award gamers tout. I just wonder what fraction of stopovers it really constitutes. Unfortunately, with United aping every Delta move, MileagePlus should be making a similar announcement shortly.
This truly sucks, and further validates my decision to move away from DL as my primary carrier in 2015.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janus777
Kinda makes sense to me...
people booking one ways and OJ's and chaining stop-overs doesn't really make sense with the new award policies..
So who loses with this policy? Award gamers...it might be noted that the previous (current) award program wasn't set up to allow a free one-way on the back end of every award ticket..(despite what all the travel bloggers teach)
Not just gamers. Stopovers could be used for very legitimate purposes. For example this past June I took my two twenty something kids on a fantastic trip to South Africa. We had to transit thru LHR to get J award tix as they are rarely available on the ATL-JNB route. We did a 3 day legitimate stopover in London on the this trip. This helps a great deal with the long layover and exhausting travel and my daughter had never been to London. Does anyone know offhand how many miles this would have added? As it was I was lucky to still get in on 140k but I believe it is now 160k from the US to SA. And it will be even more with this new change.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.
Originally Posted by Janus777
Kinda makes sense to me...
people booking one ways and OJ's and chaining stop-overs doesn't really make sense with the new award policies..
So who loses with this policy? Award gamers...it might be noted that the previous (current) award program wasn't set up to allow a free one-way on the back end of every award ticket..(despite what all the travel bloggers teach)
Not just gamers. Stopovers could be used for very legitimate purposes. For example this past June I took my two twenty something kids on a fantastic trip to South Africa. We had to transit thru LHR to get J award tix as they are rarely available on the ATL-JNB route. We did a 3 day legitimate stopover in London on the this trip. This helps a great deal with the long layover and exhausting travel and my daughter had never been to London. Does anyone know offhand how many miles this would have added? As it was I was lucky to still get in on 140k but I believe it is now 160k from the US to SA. And it will be even more with this new change.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.