Question on EQM timing
Oct 26, 2014, 12:57 am
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Question on EQM timing
This year I switched back to AA, partially in response to the Citi MC with 100K mile signup bonus. I just hit the $40K trigger for 10K EQMs.
I've not flown on AA this year and have no EQMs (but a lot of miles) and, starting on January 1 will be flying Business/First to Buenos Aires, which I calculate will give me 18K miles or so. In 2014, I'll only have the 10K EQMs from the card, and in 2015 I'll have 18K EQMs from the trip. I'm confused by the rules on calendar years and rollover. Will my 10K EQMs from today be able to be combined with my earned miles in January to qualify for gold status?
I've not flown on AA this year and have no EQMs (but a lot of miles) and, starting on January 1 will be flying Business/First to Buenos Aires, which I calculate will give me 18K miles or so. In 2014, I'll only have the 10K EQMs from the card, and in 2015 I'll have 18K EQMs from the trip. I'm confused by the rules on calendar years and rollover. Will my 10K EQMs from today be able to be combined with my earned miles in January to qualify for gold status?
Oct 26, 2014, 1:10 am
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No, status qualification is based on calendar year (Jan 1 - Dec 31). Therefore, you will have 10,000 EQM for 2014 based on your credit card spend, which is not enough to get you any level of status.
Beginning at 00:00 on January 1, 2015, EQM/P/S begin to accumulate for your status in 2015. Any status earned will last through (typically, based on years past) February 29, 2016.
Beginning at 00:00 on January 1, 2015, EQM/P/S begin to accumulate for your status in 2015. Any status earned will last through (typically, based on years past) February 29, 2016.
Oct 26, 2014, 1:23 am
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No, they will not. AA does not 'do' rollover EQM, and the cutoff is Dec.31, 2014.
However, you can qualify for Gold status with that flight on its own, depending on routing: As you say it'll be 18k EQM and you'll earn 1.5 EQP per mile flown on First/Business fares, those 18k miles will net you 27k EQP and let you qualify for Gold status.
However, you can qualify for Gold status with that flight on its own, depending on routing: As you say it'll be 18k EQM and you'll earn 1.5 EQP per mile flown on First/Business fares, those 18k miles will net you 27k EQP and let you qualify for Gold status.
Oct 26, 2014, 1:24 am
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(i.e. the remainder of the status year in which you achieve the status, then all of the following status year)
Oct 26, 2014, 1:34 am
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(If the SF in your handle refers to SFO, then SFO-BUE is way less than 9,000miles each way)
While what bhomburg says is correct, it is only correct if you fly 18K miles (you'll need to fly at least 16,667 miles @ 1.5 EQP per mile, in order to make the 25K EQP for Gold status)
Oct 26, 2014, 4:17 am
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MarkBEarSF - how are getting the 18K figure?
(If the SF in your handle refers to SFO, then SFO-BUE is way less than 9,000miles each way)
While what bhomburg says is correct, it is only correct if you fly 18K miles (you'll need to fly at least 16,667 miles @ 1.5 EQP per mile, in order to make the 25K EQP for Gold status)
(If the SF in your handle refers to SFO, then SFO-BUE is way less than 9,000miles each way)
While what bhomburg says is correct, it is only correct if you fly 18K miles (you'll need to fly at least 16,667 miles @ 1.5 EQP per mile, in order to make the 25K EQP for Gold status)
Of course, via DFW or MIA, it is still under 7K miles one way
Oct 26, 2014, 9:41 am
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MarkBEarSF - how are getting the 18K figure?
(If the SF in your handle refers to SFO, then SFO-BUE is way less than 9,000miles each way)
While what bhomburg says is correct, it is only correct if you fly 18K miles (you'll need to fly at least 16,667 miles @ 1.5 EQP per mile, in order to make the 25K EQP for Gold status)
(If the SF in your handle refers to SFO, then SFO-BUE is way less than 9,000miles each way)
While what bhomburg says is correct, it is only correct if you fly 18K miles (you'll need to fly at least 16,667 miles @ 1.5 EQP per mile, in order to make the 25K EQP for Gold status)
My calculations on miles (Flying through DFW - also a one-way SCL-EZE Business flight on AA codeshare w. LAN - including class bonuses)
SFO-DFW First, Round Trip = (1.5K x 1.5 x 2) = 4.5K
DFW-EZE Business, Round Trip = (5.25K x 1.25 x 2) = 13K
SCL-EZE Business, One Way = (1K x 1.25) = 1.25K
...more or less.
Oct 26, 2014, 10:18 am
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I'm not sure the EQM from the credit card actually are counted as redeemable miles, are they?
In any case for earning status during 2015, only EQM / EQP earned in calendar year 2015 will count.
The OP could easily earn Platinum status via the Challenge route (assuming the Challenge will remain a viable option in 2015 Q1) on the itinerary planned, given one would have to fly 6,667 miles to earn the required 10,000 EQ Points to earn Platinum (through Feb 2016 in this instance), allowing one to earn more Redeemable miles and benefit from oneworld Sapphire while earning "normal" status in 2015.
I'd use Great Circle Mapper to calculate miles; e.g. SFO-DFW is shown as 1,464 mi and AA credits is 1,464 base miles, not "1.5k"; DFW-EZE a is 5,285 miles (aa.com) = 6,749 EQM (enough to earn Platinum). GCM shows 6,748 mi, so it's quite close.
Otherwise, the OP's itinerary is 14,209 total base miles, 21,313 EQP, way insufficient for Gold. Even SFO-JFK-EZE-JFK-SFO (I've done that) with the EZE-SCL sector thrown in yields only 16,445 EQM, still short.
I'm guessing (unless I'm misreading) MarkBearSFO isn't completely on board with base miles / Elite Qualifying Miles, Elite Qualifying Miles and redeemable miles yet. Mark, those class of service (and eventually the status bonus) miles are redeemable miles, not germane to earning status; only EQM and EQP are useful for status earning calculations in this instance.
IMO the Challenge would be a great thing for you.
In any case for earning status during 2015, only EQM / EQP earned in calendar year 2015 will count.
The OP could easily earn Platinum status via the Challenge route (assuming the Challenge will remain a viable option in 2015 Q1) on the itinerary planned, given one would have to fly 6,667 miles to earn the required 10,000 EQ Points to earn Platinum (through Feb 2016 in this instance), allowing one to earn more Redeemable miles and benefit from oneworld Sapphire while earning "normal" status in 2015.
I'd use Great Circle Mapper to calculate miles; e.g. SFO-DFW is shown as 1,464 mi and AA credits is 1,464 base miles, not "1.5k"; DFW-EZE a is 5,285 miles (aa.com) = 6,749 EQM (enough to earn Platinum). GCM shows 6,748 mi, so it's quite close.
Otherwise, the OP's itinerary is 14,209 total base miles, 21,313 EQP, way insufficient for Gold. Even SFO-JFK-EZE-JFK-SFO (I've done that) with the EZE-SCL sector thrown in yields only 16,445 EQM, still short.
I'm guessing (unless I'm misreading) MarkBearSFO isn't completely on board with base miles / Elite Qualifying Miles, Elite Qualifying Miles and redeemable miles yet. Mark, those class of service (and eventually the status bonus) miles are redeemable miles, not germane to earning status; only EQM and EQP are useful for status earning calculations in this instance.
IMO the Challenge would be a great thing for you.
Last edited by JDiver; Oct 26, 2014 at 10:42 am
Oct 26, 2014, 10:22 am
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My calculations on miles (Flying through DFW - also a one-way SCL-EZE Business flight on AA codeshare w. LAN - including class bonuses)
SFO-DFW First, Round Trip = (1.5K x 1.5 x 2) = 4.5K
DFW-EZE Business, Round Trip = (5.25K x 1.25 x 2) = 13K
SCL-EZE Business, One Way = (1K x 1.25) = 1.25K
SFO-DFW First, Round Trip = (1.5K x 1.5 x 2) = 4.5K
DFW-EZE Business, Round Trip = (5.25K x 1.25 x 2) = 13K
SCL-EZE Business, One Way = (1K x 1.25) = 1.25K
Oct 26, 2014, 10:42 am
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The class bonuses (1.5 and 1.25) are inapplicable to calculating EQMs. Your itinerary will earn you 14.5k EQMs. However, since all your segments are in paid first and business you'll earn 1.5 EQP (point) per EQM. Thus, you'll earn 21.75k EQPs. Neither metric will earn you Gold after the trip.
21.75 EQPs will be enough to earn PLT via a challenge. If the OP plans on flying more on AA in the future, a challenge is the way to go.
Oct 26, 2014, 10:44 am
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The class bonuses (1.5 and 1.25) are inapplicable to calculating EQMs. Your itinerary will earn you 14.5k EQMs. However, since all your segments are in paid first and business you'll earn 1.5 EQP (point) per EQM. Thus, you'll earn 21.75k EQPs. Neither metric will earn you Gold after the trip.
Hah! bdemaria beat me once again!
