why fly

thinking and Air Canada dont make sense in the same sentence.

Perhaps DXB will be like Delhi.

djjaguar64

I concur, its an experiment which will not last long. Ask people why they fly EK, the food is good and they know what service means.

cooleddie

I might be biased, but I have a feeling that there is more interest in a YYZ-JNB route than a YYZ-DXB route, at least on this forum.

djjaguar64

Not to worry, SAA is already planning a YYZ route, so they will beat AC to it.

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-s...ng-champagne-c

cooleddie

I wouldn't trust that article - it's a speculation. SAA plans many things but nothing ever happens lol. And the article suggests taking the A340-600 from PEK and serve YYZ instead... I find that hard to believe given the large capacity and high fuel consumption.

djjaguar64

Every airline makes mistakes, some never learn from their mistakes.

Guy Betsy

We forget but UAE included AUH and DXB hence the 6x frequency was divided equally between EY and EK ! Either would gladly take their flights to daily if they can !

If AC is hoping to cash in on the lucrative J market, then they better start looking up some limousine services throughout all destinations now. EK passengers are mostly paying full J with only a few using points to upgrade. What about over at AC?

CloudsBelow

Do you mean their superior service will smash AC on O/D traffic in the same way VX's superior service and in-flight experience smashed AC on the O/D traffic between YYZ and LAX/SFO?
Or, more like the "smashing" AS's superior product and service handed to AC Rouge for all the O/D traffic between YVR and LAX?
Do we know EK's LF ex YYZ?
Didn't you say the Rouge experiment would not last long too?
Sure they are.

rankourabu

You dont think this is apples and oranges?
VA was a newcomer, and was driven out by aggressive pricing by AC.
There was also virtually no connecting traffic. VA needed O/D traffic.

Even if no people are O/D on YYZ-DXB on EK, they will do just fine with connecting traffic.

CloudsBelow

That's not what VX's CEO said when he pulled the route.
Further, VX faces the exact same pricing pressure all over the US when entering the mega hubs of competing airlines. Don't see them pulling out as fast as they pulled out of Toronto
Of course they will. Never questioned that
I was responding to a posters point about EK smashing AC on "point to point" traffic (which I assumed meant O/D).

rankourabu

Wait, werent we assured in the "riled up" thread by AC defenders that there is zero o/d traffic on YYZ-DXB anyway

But yes, if one was flying YYZ-DXB, and all other things being equal (schedule, etc, but especially price) - apart from some AC diehards or super elites - who in their right mind would fly AC over EK, especially up front?

superangrypenguin

Those who prefer the AC hard product? Aka the anti social Penguin types (on airplanes?)

rankourabu

Leaving the super-cramped AC Y aside, and not even going to focus the IFE and the food/wine on EK, since you want to focus on seat:



I have no idea what you mean by anti-social. All EK seats are aisle access private cubicles
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Anyway, how can one prefer something, when they never experienced the other?

superangrypenguin

I read TK, LOL. Posting on FT while still sobering up should be against the rules

LittleYHZ

You don't grasp. EK isn't going to be lowering prices. Their flights, as they have indicated in why they want more landing rights, are full and have been for years. Granted this naturally means the Yield is good. AC adding capacity on their off days, is not going to dent their bookings.

But it also makes it impossible to push AC out of the way.

Why? Because as AC has shown us time and time again, if you are going to "smash" someone you have to add buckets of capacity to the route and make everyone loose buckets of money. Thats what they did to Jetsgo, Canadian, Canjet, Harmony... Even WS discontinued destinations when it was a young Airline because AC decided it needed to predate it... Air Canada is a good predator, its built into the corporate culture.

Anyway in order to "smash" AC on the route EK would need to add double daily A380s which they can't do and never will be able to do because they will never get the landing rights...

Like clouds below pointed out - AS and well everyone got a pretty bad smashing on YVR LAX. AC went from under 400 one way seats a day to about 530ish, then turned around and announced for next summer they're going to 650... (4 X daily 1 767...) Transat has stated they've hurt them... Unlike when AC was predatory in the past, its profitable now, which makes it particularly dangerous.

The ULCCs who may or may not start can expect a swift and almost certainly lethal response out of Air Canada.