Another new route: Announcing YYZ-DXB
Mar 4, 2015, 4:49 pm
#256
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Says nothing more or less than what some of us have been saying all along ........ Passengers set airfares
Think of that the next time you read AC prices are out of touch. Or, no one pays AC's absurd price of $XXXX to fly ABC - DEF
Air Canada is not lowering YYZDXB prices for charity. They're obviously not seeing the CAN>DXB demand they expected at the previous price point. Not going to make any wild assumptions this early but it can't be a good sign when you have to price a nonstop offering the same as connecting itins
Think of that the next time you read AC prices are out of touch. Or, no one pays AC's absurd price of $XXXX to fly ABC - DEF
Air Canada is not lowering YYZDXB prices for charity. They're obviously not seeing the CAN>DXB demand they expected at the previous price point. Not going to make any wild assumptions this early but it can't be a good sign when you have to price a nonstop offering the same as connecting itins
Mar 4, 2015, 4:52 pm
#257
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I have been reading over and over here that non-stops command premiums, so what does it say about that nonstop option when it cannot do that?
Let the prices speak for themselves
Y:
KLM $845
AC $850
UA $915
EK $1147
J:
KLM $5352
AC $5511
UA $5576
EK $7161
Now, we ve been told that AC will be able to compete (heck, command a premium) based on their superb 4* service, and loyalty, and basically their awesomeness - and here they are reducing themselves to competing based on price?
Let the prices speak for themselves
Y:
KLM $845
AC $850
UA $915
EK $1147
J:
KLM $5352
AC $5511
UA $5576
EK $7161
Now, we ve been told that AC will be able to compete (heck, command a premium) based on their superb 4* service, and loyalty, and basically their awesomeness - and here they are reducing themselves to competing based on price?
Mar 5, 2015, 7:46 am
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as the price of fuel comes down so will ticket prices. however AC will be out of DXB quickly, and perhaps then we can have daily EK flights to YYZ and more direct flights from other Canadian cities.
IF AC cant make money to DXB and runs with its tail between its legs, lets hope the govt will stop listening to AC whining and open some competition.
IF AC cant make money to DXB and runs with its tail between its legs, lets hope the govt will stop listening to AC whining and open some competition.
Mar 5, 2015, 9:19 am
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as the price of fuel comes down so will ticket prices. however AC will be out of DXB quickly, and perhaps then we can have daily EK flights to YYZ and more direct flights from other Canadian cities.
IF AC cant make money to DXB and runs with its tail between its legs, lets hope the govt will stop listening to AC whining and open some competition.
IF AC cant make money to DXB and runs with its tail between its legs, lets hope the govt will stop listening to AC whining and open some competition.
If AC pulls out it is extremely unlikely EK gets more landing rights without a change in government or as part of a political trade between governments.
Mar 5, 2015, 9:45 am
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No, the government's position has always been that the O&D needs to exist to provide additional landing rights. If AC can't make DXB work, that'll if anything be proof the O&D is insufficient for more than the current 3 EK A380s.
If AC pulls out it is extremely unlikely EK gets more landing rights without a change in government or as part of a political trade between governments.
If AC pulls out it is extremely unlikely EK gets more landing rights without a change in government or as part of a political trade between governments.
Put DXB on for a winter, know its gonna be a loser, lose as little as possible, and then go cry to the govt that there is no O&D traffic.
Never mind that a chunk of their traffic, however little it will be - will also be transit, and not O&D
Mar 5, 2015, 10:26 am
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Maybe thats their plan all along, lose a war, win the battle.
Put DXB on for a winter, know its gonna be a loser, lose as little as possible, and then go cry to the govt that there is no O&D traffic.
Never mind that a chunk of their traffic, however little it will be - will also be transit, and not O&D
Put DXB on for a winter, know its gonna be a loser, lose as little as possible, and then go cry to the govt that there is no O&D traffic.
Never mind that a chunk of their traffic, however little it will be - will also be transit, and not O&D
DEL on the other hand, needs to work. AC has been saying for so long that the 787s are the savior they've been waiting for regarding India flights (and much of FRA/LHR connections) so if they pull out of that/reduce it, I don't see how AC can argue they have a valid complaint against expanding EK services.
Mar 5, 2015, 12:46 pm
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What Canadian cities not named Toronto would you suggest EK is eager to serve?
Mar 8, 2015, 12:27 am
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As long as it drives down prices do we really care?
Canadian taxpayers have already paid $1 billion to move our military bases to protect Air Canada, how much more did you want the taxpayer to pay to support your favorite inefficient airline.
Mar 8, 2015, 1:19 am
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Just because we are out on the west coast I feel we get forgotten
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Mar 8, 2015, 7:02 am
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I think AC can't really lose with DXB - if it works they can skim EK's traffic, if it doesn't they can **** block EK by saying the O&D isn't there.
DEL on the other hand, needs to work. AC has been saying for so long that the 787s are the savior they've been waiting for regarding India flights (and much of FRA/LHR connections) so if they pull out of that/reduce it, I don't see how AC can argue they have a valid complaint against expanding EK services.
DEL on the other hand, needs to work. AC has been saying for so long that the 787s are the savior they've been waiting for regarding India flights (and much of FRA/LHR connections) so if they pull out of that/reduce it, I don't see how AC can argue they have a valid complaint against expanding EK services.
Mar 8, 2015, 7:26 am
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AC declaring YYZ as an "international hub" pretty much put the nail in YVR's coffin for interesting direct AC routes. IMO, we are lucky with what we have.
Mar 8, 2015, 10:46 am
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http://www.vancouversun.com/Business...541/story.html
http://www.biv.com/article/2012/1/em...run-at-vancou/
Mar 8, 2015, 11:18 am
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who cares give them options let them land in any cnd city with whatever they want.
As long as it drives down prices do we really care?
Canadian taxpayers have already paid $1 billion to move our military bases to protect Air Canada, how much more did you want the taxpayer to pay to support your favorite inefficient airline.
As long as it drives down prices do we really care?
Canadian taxpayers have already paid $1 billion to move our military bases to protect Air Canada, how much more did you want the taxpayer to pay to support your favorite inefficient airline.
If they want to lose money, thats their problem. Let the market decide.
The current situation is nothing but subsidy to AC and their JV partners, at the expense of the taxpayer.
Mar 8, 2015, 12:35 pm
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Based on EKs own push with the business associations and mayors, EK wants YVR and YYC. Not sure if YYC is still a play after oil prices dropped. Also not sure of freq or what aircraft type.
http://www.vancouversun.com/Business...541/story.html
http://www.biv.com/article/2012/1/em...run-at-vancou/
http://www.vancouversun.com/Business...541/story.html
http://www.biv.com/article/2012/1/em...run-at-vancou/
I've long thought a fair answer to this whole deal was to offer ME3 YYZ capacity to match nonYYZ capacity to Canada - Give EK double daily YYZ as long as they operate 2 additional stand-alone daily flights to other Cdn cities.
EK has been much discussed here. I REALLY hope AC doesn't start whining in public like DL et al are doing south of the border while raking in Billions in profit.