Another new route: Announcing YYZ-DXB
Jan 6, 2015, 1:59 pm
#196
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yup, for $250 each way, you can torture yourself for about 20 hours 
I dont either. I wonder how much of it is automatic, as a result of some fare-matching algorithm.
I already brought up my DXB trip next week. CAD$700 all in RT x 6 tickets. AC 014 ticket.
AC to LHR, and then EK to DXB. Assuming $560 of that fare is revenue, and the rest her majesty's taxes, etc. That makes it for about $280 each way split between EK and AC. I'd love to know what AC is paying EK for the LHR-DXB leg as part of an AC ticket.
AC will make no more than $150pp each way for ferrying 6 of us to LHR and back, assuming an even split , during busy holiday time, just because they matched EK/KL sale fares to DXB a couple months back.
Talk about junk yield, those seats could have been filled with YYZ-LHR traffic paying much more.
I dont either. I wonder how much of it is automatic, as a result of some fare-matching algorithm.
I already brought up my DXB trip next week. CAD$700 all in RT x 6 tickets. AC 014 ticket.
AC to LHR, and then EK to DXB. Assuming $560 of that fare is revenue, and the rest her majesty's taxes, etc. That makes it for about $280 each way split between EK and AC. I'd love to know what AC is paying EK for the LHR-DXB leg as part of an AC ticket.
AC will make no more than $150pp each way for ferrying 6 of us to LHR and back, assuming an even split , during busy holiday time, just because they matched EK/KL sale fares to DXB a couple months back.
Talk about junk yield, those seats could have been filled with YYZ-LHR traffic paying much more.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:02 pm
#197
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Of course it doesnt match the Wideroe 'deals' where DXB was selling for $250RT last year
btw, trip was great - even an op up for 3 people in my party by AC on the way over
Stepping off EK at LHR and boarding a dirty AC plane back to Canada was a major downer on the way back.
There is just no comparison.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:19 pm
#198
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I would just think that transit through DXB for two non-hub carriers would be a pain in the backside when AC is flying from its hub to AI's hub.
That said, I know many a person who fly EK/EY on their way to South Asia, and often have a brief stopover in DXB. Even just interlining, may allow AC and AI to capture this traffic.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:27 pm
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Already mentioned this, but all current AC fares to India already allow for connections on AI in Europe or elsewhere. They also allow for EY/EK connections as part of the fare.
Jan 6, 2015, 3:05 pm
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Since AI isn't flying to Canada, I doubt they care that much. Most US-India traffic will be on AI or UA metal as far as they are concerned.
I would just think that transit through DXB for two non-hub carriers would be a pain in the backside when AC is flying from its hub to AI's hub.
That said, I know many a person who fly EK/EY on their way to South Asia, and often have a brief stopover in DXB. Even just interlining, may allow AC and AI to capture this traffic.
I would just think that transit through DXB for two non-hub carriers would be a pain in the backside when AC is flying from its hub to AI's hub.
That said, I know many a person who fly EK/EY on their way to South Asia, and often have a brief stopover in DXB. Even just interlining, may allow AC and AI to capture this traffic.
Jan 7, 2015, 9:20 am
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I'd imagine AC will have a bigger share of the O/D traffic on this route than EK. O/D traffic is almost always more more profitable than connecting
But, I feel EK would be the one left standing on the route. Just shows you how confident I am the playing field is level.
Jan 7, 2015, 9:22 am
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Jan 16, 2015, 3:35 pm
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Y: connecting flights: $854, ok so I understand a premium on non-stops, but...
EK $1154, AC $1327 (Tango)
who in their right mind would fly AC???
J: connecting $3013, EK $4692, AC $5809
now, really, who in their right mind would choose AC?? An inferior product for $1100 more - where do I sign up!
Jan 16, 2015, 3:44 pm
#204
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so just checking on some prices for next November
Y: connecting flights: $854, ok so I understand a premium on non-stops, but...
EK $1154, AC $1327 (Tango)
who in their right mind would fly AC???
J: connecting $3013, EK $4692, AC $5809
now, really, who in their right mind would choose AC?? An inferior product for $1100 more - where do I sign up!
Y: connecting flights: $854, ok so I understand a premium on non-stops, but...
EK $1154, AC $1327 (Tango)
who in their right mind would fly AC???
J: connecting $3013, EK $4692, AC $5809
now, really, who in their right mind would choose AC?? An inferior product for $1100 more - where do I sign up!
Have a feeling the first few flights will have half empty J cabins.
Jan 16, 2015, 3:49 pm
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so just checking on some prices for next November
Y: connecting flights: $854, ok so I understand a premium on non-stops, but...
EK $1154, AC $1327 (Tango)
who in their right mind would fly AC???
J: connecting $3013, EK $4692, AC $5809
now, really, who in their right mind would choose AC?? An inferior product for $1100 more - where do I sign up!
Y: connecting flights: $854, ok so I understand a premium on non-stops, but...
EK $1154, AC $1327 (Tango)
who in their right mind would fly AC???
J: connecting $3013, EK $4692, AC $5809
now, really, who in their right mind would choose AC?? An inferior product for $1100 more - where do I sign up!
Jan 16, 2015, 3:52 pm
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Jan 17, 2015, 1:17 am
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The inferior product is the one which doesn't fly out on the particular day you want. Neither AC nor EK are daily, and they don't overlap operating days. So I suspect business travelers will fly what gets them where they need to be without idling in a hotel 24-48 hours waiting for the next day their airline of choice operates, with a slant towards AC or routing via 3rd city on off days for alliance program purposes.
Jan 17, 2015, 6:57 am
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The inferior product is the one which doesn't fly out on the particular day you want. Neither AC nor EK are daily, and they don't overlap operating days. So I suspect business travelers will fly what gets them where they need to be without idling in a hotel 24-48 hours waiting for the next day their airline of choice operates, with a slant towards AC or routing via 3rd city on off days for alliance program purposes.
Jan 17, 2015, 8:49 am
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