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ButIsItArt Aug 14, 2007 8:57 pm

So, ahhhh, is this the 2007 Official Mileage Plus Double EQM Speculation Thread (TM), or we just having batting practice now?

I say it will be $599, W and above fare basis, pretty much the same time window as last year but with a Thanksgiving holiday weekend blackout, and...goalie will again this year break the story (no pressure) :D

fadeforward Aug 14, 2007 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyguy (Post 8233099)
:-:

This pretty much sums it up. UA should do what is best for the business. That may involve trying to keep frequent cheap-o fliers (like me) happy, or it may not. Maybe enough of us eventually go on to work for companies who will fly us in F/C/Y to make it worthwhile for United. Presumably, someone at United is asking these questions.

Similarly, I should do what's best for me. I like flying UA, but if cheap fares are "devalued" and I can't maintain my status with my travel patterns, I'm likely to consider other options. No hard feelings, just personal self-interest.

You're making it seem like United's business model works independently from any of our feelings, and that we shouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that United cares about our feelings. But wouldn't a good business model take customer loyalty into account, and wouldn't customer loyalty be an estimate to which your feelings may contribute?

I understand why people are so willing to subjugate their feelings to the mantra of "well, they wanted to make a profit, so I guess that's okay," but I hope they realize that they aren't acting in their own best interests as they do so.

last2board Aug 14, 2007 9:08 pm

Great Timing on this Thread
 
I needed the promo in 2004, but made 1K without it in 2005 and 2006. I am running a little short this year and am really glad you reminded me that this could be just the edge I need for this year!

Fortunately UA decides what the qualifications for 1K will be. If it were a social club whose members choose who will be invited to belong, I might be out of luck.

hockeyguy Aug 14, 2007 9:26 pm


Originally Posted by fadeforward (Post 8233124)

Originally Posted by hockeyguy
... That may involve trying to keep frequent cheap-o fliers (like me) happy, or it may not. ...

You're making it seem like United's business model works independently from any of our feelings, and that we shouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that United cares about our feelings. But wouldn't a good business model take customer loyalty into account, and wouldn't customer loyalty be an estimate to which your feelings may contribute?

Actually, I think the part of my quote above specifically does acknowledge that it might be in United's business interest to consider my happiness. Or it might not be. I'm in no position to know. And frankly, I don't care.


Originally Posted by fadeforward (Post 8233124)

Originally Posted by hockeyguy
... Similarly, I should do what's best for me. I like flying UA, but if cheap fares are "devalued" and I can't maintain my status with my travel patterns, I'm likely to consider other options. ...

I understand why people are so willing to subjugate their feelings to the mantra of "well, they wanted to make a profit, so I guess that's okay," but I hope they realize that they aren't acting in their own best interests as they do so.

I'm pretty sure that flying a different airline if United doesn't fit my travel needs any more isn't "subjugating my feelings". In fact, it's (IMO) one of the best manners of expressing them.

United is a business, so I treat them as such. As lucky9876coins pointed out above, it's "nothing personal" if United changes their program in a way that happens to work against me. It's just another factor in my choice of what airline to fly. And in whether United gets revenue from my air travel.

fadeforward Aug 14, 2007 9:43 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyguy (Post 8233245)
Actually, I think the part of my quote above specifically does acknowledge that it might be in United's business interest to consider my happiness. Or it might not be. I'm in no position to know. And frankly, I don't care.

I see what you're saying, and I did oversimplify your opinion. But you're taking a much more "whatever" approach to this than I would and, frankly, than I think is in your best interest. You said you like flying UA, but you're ambivalent about a possible business decision that would force you to another airline. I guess I'm just saying, if everyone were like you, and ambivalent about their options as long as they understood that the business was operating along myopic economic models, you'd eventually end up with companies always taking advantage of you.

I'm arguing, I think it's in your best interest, and in all of our best interests, to acknowledge that you care, and to take things personally.

EDIT: I see that this is a trivial distinction. If you take your business elsewhere, I'd say it's because you're pissed and taking it personally, and you'd say it's because United has made a business decision that's inconvenienced you. It's close to the same thing. I happen to think that "taking it personally" is a better way to encourage actual change than "you've made a bad business decision, and I'm leaving" but it results in the same line in the ledger sheet, if not the framing of the problem to the CEO. I could make a more subtle argument that the framing actually matters, which I think has been my point all along, but this is far beyond this thread at this point.

couscous Aug 14, 2007 10:15 pm

We are starting this thread earlier every year !!:D
I'm praying for the promo, only way I will make 1K for this year..

HonestABE Aug 14, 2007 10:23 pm

This year, I'll make 1K Heavy without the DEQM Promo and mostly on my own dime after 3 years as a 1K Lite.

I encourage others to become 1Ks whether they're Heavy, Lite, or, Just Right! There's plenty of room in the club.

My prediction on the DEQM Promo: if offered, it won't be cheap, and there will be restrictions. I'm thinking it should only be valid on F Fares on flights originating or terminating at ABE. :D

bhmlurker Aug 14, 2007 10:48 pm

In a way I'd like to see more people MR instead of DEQM. Now understandably most of you are busy people or have family/relationship to tend to, but I can assure you that it's boatload of fun. Kind of like a problem solving exercise or puzzle. With UA constantly delaying flights, it's a fun game to try for as tight of connection or turn-around as possible, and when delayed, to re-route and continue maximizing miles/segments. I assure you that you'll sleep very well once you get home, like I did! :) Of course this wish isn't altruistic, as I'd like to meet more UA FTers while sitting in the back, especially with most of the 1K folks sitting up front.

Currently I'm at 54 EQS and 44K EQM, all domestic, and I've met ONE whopping FTer, not to mention not seeing a single yellow FT luggage tag. Where are you all hiding? RCC?

redbeard911 Aug 14, 2007 11:15 pm

UA determines the rules for 1K, not us. If UA wants to make 1K cards a crackerjack prize, it's their game.

aerokitty Aug 14, 2007 11:57 pm

OK, I thought about this on my 28 mile bike commute home, so I'm gonna opine, even though this thread is really WAY to early...

1) There are two ways to look at the fair price for the DEQM promotion. One is the value of 1K to the customer -- what is the value of 6 SWUs? Someone bid $3299 :D The other is the value to UA. I think of it this way: DEQM allows one to get to whatever status with half the MR that would have been required. So, what is the average tix price (ex-taxes) for a MR?

2) Besides the obvious revenue to UA, it actually helps them even more. In effect, UA gets to sell the same seat twice. Remember, the DEQM will relieve you from having to do a MR. That seat can now be sold again. Yes, there are a bunch of assumptions here, but there is a non-zero positive benefit for UA to sell you the seat "virtually" without your BIS.

3) It is green :-) Unless there is a secondary reason to do the MR, hauling you around does cost fuel and results in extra emissions.

Can't read UA's mind, but the more I think about it, UA wins either way. It is likely to happen...

Budley Aug 15, 2007 3:44 am


Originally Posted by aerokitty (Post 8233808)
Can't read UA's mind, but the more I think about it, UA wins either way. It is likely to happen...

I'd rather it didn't.

It devalues the whole thing, eg less upgrade opportunities, for those of us who actually pay real money to get there (I'm 150,000 miles this year).

Maybe AA have a better scheme and maybe OW is the way to go in future...

KathyWdrf Aug 15, 2007 3:46 am


Originally Posted by bhmlurker (Post 8233569)
Currently I'm at 54 EQS and 44K EQM, all domestic, and I've met ONE whopping FTer, not to mention not seeing a single yellow FT luggage tag. Where are you all hiding? RCC?

You need to go to the CommunityBuzz forum if you want to meet FTers. Hoping that it will happen just by luck is NOT very effective. I've randomly met a few FTers in airports (or on airport parking shuttles) over the years because of the yellow tags, but you have to remember that FTers are only a teeny-tiny percentage of all air travelers. @:-)

Anyhow, not really germane to the main topic, so back to the regular programming....

Downunder girl Aug 15, 2007 6:51 am


Originally Posted by indo79 (Post 8230171)
It will not come until late September or early October, if it does come.

Q4 is usually low season for the airline industry, so UA does not want to announce it now (if they decide to do it) as they would like to entice you to buy tickets during Q4.

With that said, I personally do not care if they offer it or not. I only made use of it once (in 2003) and they got me hooked and never had to use it again :)

Apologies b/c I havent read the whole (quickly expanding) thread yet, but when you say Sept/Oct for the offer does that mean you can earn the DEQM during that time (yes, pls, I hope so ;) ) or is that when the offer will come out and it will be for a later time period.

It would be really cool if I could double up on my EQM for my already booked intl trip! I hope they dont charge outrageous prices for it - I like the suggestion of $99 ;). But I imagine I am dreaming for that ;)

So do these DEQM get added on top of the already added 25% I would get on my flt for being 2P and booking an H class fare?

simong Aug 15, 2007 7:15 am


Originally Posted by Downunder girl (Post 8234708)
Apologies b/c I havent read the whole (quickly expanding) thread yet, but when you say Sept/Oct for the offer does that mean you can earn the DEQM during that time (yes, pls, I hope so ;) ) or is that when the offer will come out and it will be for a later time period.

It would be really cool if I could double up on my EQM for my already booked intl trip! I hope they dont charge outrageous prices for it - I like the suggestion of $99 ;). But I imagine I am dreaming for that ;)

So do these DEQM get added on top of the already added 25% I would get on my flt for being 2P and booking an H class fare?

Last year the offer came in September and the valid period was October 24 to December 16, 2006

Your 25% bonus for 2P is on RDM's not EQM's..

Not sure if you are clear on the difference between the two?

The EQM's are just for your status, the RDM's are the redemable miles.

Downunder girl Aug 15, 2007 7:29 am


Originally Posted by RodneyBD (Post 8231239)
For example, you could propose the following MP tier line-up:

Kick a** GS
Super GS
GS
I'm-better-than-you 1k
1K
1k-Lite
Wanna-be-big-shot 1p
1p
Mileage-run 1p
2P
2p-Lite
3p
General MP Member, also known as "Loser"

LMAO :D

OK that is funny! Good to see a sense of humour here, as it seems this thread it getting all too serious and personal, and according to those FTers who are in the know, we have a long time to wait for this thread to be confirmed re DEQMs.

BTW if GMs are "losers", what are non GM's :confused:

Or is that where 'gate lice' come in??

Thanks for making me laugh :)

Thanks Simong - yeah I do get a little confused sometimes, and have a 'blonde' moment ;) . Either way I need both RDMs and EQMs - so bring on the promo's. By the sounds of it I am going to miss out by about 10 days - just like I am missing out on the SFO do :( . Clearly my trip was planned before I knew about all these additional important events, DO's and DEQMs!


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