Consolidated "UA 'Z' Fare (Discounted Business Class)" Discussion Thread [Merged]
Jan 17, 2009, 1:20 pm
#121
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Upgrade to First off Z Fare
Flying IAD-GRU in March on Z fare paid ticket. Anyone have any experience/luck in getting an upgrade to first at the gate off a Z fare? I've read that some gate agents used to permit you to pay $$ for an upgrade off a Z fare at the gage - but that apparently took place in 2006. "Officially" I gather Z fares are not upgradeable using miles.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Jan 17, 2009, 1:23 pm
#122
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There was just a thread on this the other day. The consensus is that SWU cannot be used to upgrade a Z, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.
On the other hand, United does offer Upgrade for Cash (UFC) for Z->NF.
On the other hand, United does offer Upgrade for Cash (UFC) for Z->NF.
Jan 17, 2009, 1:50 pm
#123
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Jan 17, 2009, 6:29 pm
#124
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Agree that SWU will not cut it. Had that experience in December flying NRT to SFO. Tried the usual trick of calling GS desk on different days but had a firm no each time. Also tried at NRT as the flight was cancelled and we were delayed by one day. Even that did not get sympathy despite there being empty F seats on the way over. Only good news was that they did transfer over my HNML to the next days flight (and it tasted reasonably fresh!).
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Jan 17, 2009, 6:57 pm
#125
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Feb 6, 2009, 11:58 am
#126
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Are there any other cut offs for Z-fares besides 50 days?
Feb 6, 2009, 1:38 pm
#127
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Sometimes there are 90 day AP requirements - for the lowest Z fares, as you might expect. I can't recall offhand when I last saw those....I think maybe summer biz fare specials, or around the holidays? CO usually loads some Z fare specials to Europe (usually around $3k all in), for example, and UA occasionally matches.
Feb 6, 2009, 1:53 pm
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There is a Z-fare sale to EU right now:
> Purchase by February 20, 2009
> A 14 day advance purchase is required for travel between February 4, 2009 - April 17, 2009
> Tavel is valid daily; a Saturday night minimum stay is required and a maximum stay of 30 days is permitted
More here:
http://www.united.com/page/article/1...serviceclass=2
Feb 6, 2009, 3:01 pm
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Feb 6, 2009, 6:10 pm
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Further, valid "Daily" vs. only certain days of the week is what the author tired to point out as well, I guess.
Feb 6, 2009, 7:03 pm
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Feb 7, 2009, 9:44 am
#132
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It looks like the Z fares for domestic travel are starting to come down now.
For the transcons, at least, they were always about $22-2500. It looks now like they're more in the $15-1700 range.
Hooray! Now they can call them discounted biz!
For the transcons, at least, they were always about $22-2500. It looks now like they're more in the $15-1700 range.
Hooray! Now they can call them discounted biz!
Feb 16, 2009, 9:36 am
#133
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Z Fare Combinations
My apologies if this was addressed in the past. I did search this thread as well as the board and couldn't find anything.
I am looking at a multi-segment trip to Asia and was hoping to combine two Z-fares. Now, I realize that these fares are heavily restricted but according to the fare rules:
Example of 2 RT tickets with Z-Fare availability according to .bomb:
If this is in fact not allowed, can anyone explain what the "Combination" rule actually means? What am I missing? I did check the days of the week to make sure the travel dates conform to the permitted travel days under the rules and they do. So, that doesn't seem to be the problem.
Any words of wisdom or deciphering of the fare rule?
Thanks much.... AAgoraku
I am looking at a multi-segment trip to Asia and was hoping to combine two Z-fares. Now, I realize that these fares are heavily restricted but according to the fare rules:
Combinations
SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. ROUND TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH UA FARES -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE IN RULE Z1ND IN TARIFF IPRP - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC.
This rule does seem to contradict itself and I am not exactly sure what all of this means but I assumed from reading the rule that if I found two cities in Asia with Z fare availability, I would be able to combine them "on a half round trip basis" to form a Z-fare round trip ticket. The .bomb doesn't seem to allow it and I spoke to an agent who said the "system" said ineligible fare. SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. ROUND TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH UA FARES -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE IN RULE Z1ND IN TARIFF IPRP - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC.
Example of 2 RT tickets with Z-Fare availability according to .bomb:
SFO-ICN
Outbound 02/28/2009 (Return 03/09/2009)
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 3,900.00 USD 277.00 USD 4,177.00
SIN-(HKG)SFO
(Outbound 02/28/2009) Inbound 03/09/2009
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 4,804.00 USD 405.40 USD 5,209.40
Given the above, can I combine the Outbound SFO-ICN with the Inbound SIN-SFO? RT Fare would be approximately USD 4,639.2 = (4177/2) + (5209.4/2)Outbound 02/28/2009 (Return 03/09/2009)
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 3,900.00 USD 277.00 USD 4,177.00
SIN-(HKG)SFO
(Outbound 02/28/2009) Inbound 03/09/2009
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 4,804.00 USD 405.40 USD 5,209.40
If this is in fact not allowed, can anyone explain what the "Combination" rule actually means? What am I missing? I did check the days of the week to make sure the travel dates conform to the permitted travel days under the rules and they do. So, that doesn't seem to be the problem.
Any words of wisdom or deciphering of the fare rule?
Thanks much.... AAgoraku
Feb 16, 2009, 9:51 am
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My apologies if this was addressed in the past. I did search this thread as well as the board and couldn't find anything.
I am looking at a multi-segment trip to Asia and was hoping to combine two Z-fares. Now, I realize that these fares are heavily restricted but according to the fare rules:
Example of 2 RT tickets with Z-Fare availability according to .bomb:
I am looking at a multi-segment trip to Asia and was hoping to combine two Z-fares. Now, I realize that these fares are heavily restricted but according to the fare rules:
Example of 2 RT tickets with Z-Fare availability according to .bomb:
SFO-ICN
Outbound 02/28/2009 (Return 03/09/2009)
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 3,900.00 USD 277.00 USD 4,177.00
SIN-(HKG)SFO
(Outbound 02/28/2009) Inbound 03/09/2009
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 4,804.00 USD 405.40 USD 5,209.40
Given the above, can I combine the Outbound SFO-ICN with the Inbound SIN-SFO? RT Fare would be approximately USD 4,639.2 = (4177/2) + (5209.4/2)Outbound 02/28/2009 (Return 03/09/2009)
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 3,900.00 USD 277.00 USD 4,177.00
SIN-(HKG)SFO
(Outbound 02/28/2009) Inbound 03/09/2009
Traveler Base fare Taxes & fees* Total
Adult 1 USD 4,804.00 USD 405.40 USD 5,209.40
Feb 16, 2009, 10:24 am
#135
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Sorry that I can't help you with the combination question - I'm sure there's a more knowledgeable person on here - but why UA? For slightly more, you could do SQ SFO-ICN-SIN on a D fare (books into C) for $5235. Much better service, though you won't benefit from the UA BIS bonuses.