cesco.g

I got op-uped TPAC from a Z-fare a few months ago, turned out to be new config 744 - a good flight indeed. ^

mahasamatman

Probably the same reason they don't allow upgrades from KLST. They don't want to give the product away too cheaply.

robertr

This fare is still going - note the travel period is incorrect it should be 2009 not 2008 it is a typo error, I booked this fare in Jan for travel in Sept 09 Syd-Lax-Fra-Bud-Fra-Lax-Syd it cost AUD $7,000.00 inclusive of taxes approx US $5,250.00

It is a Z fare.( Note Australian Departures only)

http://www.travel.com.au/flights/luf....../s10732,eur

ORD2World

Well, not really. My company has been using D fare tickets for past 15 years. Corportate made the switch to Z fare six weeks ago, told no one. We just tell Amex travel we want to go from City A to City B, they pick the fare basis. We have no input as to the fare basis that is used. All Z now.

I had no idea Z fares even existed until four weeks ago. Obviously, no upgrade allowed on website. Call GS desk, was informed they are Z fare. Puzzled, asked a few questions. Now I know. Same situation with the numerous other GS colleagues.

Life goes on. I guess our company got a pretty good Corporate rate on the D tickets, as the Z fares are pretty much the same price (I flew 216,000 BIS miles on United in 2008). I still think there should be some allowance for 1K/GS to use a SWU for an empty FC seat, if available on the day of travel. Am working with Mileage Plus folks.

mauiUAflyer

I feel your pain. Just purchased a Z fare LAX-JFK. Even though it is domestic, it isn't upgradeable with any of the usual instruments (except for $$: UFC).

I checked the price differential on a D-fare ticket, same exact flight, and the delta was $746.

Unless they offer me a reasonable UFC, I'll just tough it out in C; at least I have an exit row...

SFflyer123

Are you on a P.S. flight? I flew both p.s. and first, and the only difference is the lie-flat (angled) seat. otherwise, C really is just as good as F.

mauiUAflyer

Yes, it is a PS flight (a red-eye); I'm connecting to it from a day flight from Maui; I have to attend a funeral in NY. I hate short red-eyes, and want to maximize sleep. I've been in ps F before, and think it about the best chance for some shut-eye on a domestic (UA, anyway) flight. I haven't experienced ps C (yet). Would folks on this board posit that the ps C seat is as good a sleeper seat as the ps F seat? I would love to hear your thoughts...

Flying Machine

I slept like a baby in PS C. JFK-LAX 8:30 departure. Ate a little ( they dont give you much ) drank some and slept like a baby. The foot rests are good too and Im 6 feet tall

Task Force DL

I find it very difficult to sleep in PS C (I am 6'5"). I have also noticed that on the 757, the floor material is "bouncier" than many other aircraft, which transmits sound and vibration easily to seats (aisle seats especially). So, if other PAX or FAs do a lot of walking up and down the aisle, it can be difficult to sleep. This obviously also applies to PS F but the fewer number of passengers up there reduces the amount of traffic.

As you can probably tell, I am a light sleeper.

TFD

SFflyer123

slept like a log in C. only need the lie-flat if you're a side sleeper (which I am), but I can still fall asleep in a lay-z-boy type chair. the recline in c is awesome. in some ways, I think the c leather seats are actually more comfortable than the f seats.

kenhawk

I agree that the C seats are just as comfortable, if not more so, than PS F. I found myself constantly adjusting the PS F seat, and every time you make one move, some other mechanism moves, requiring another adjustment... As far as the soft product goes, I was disappointed with PS F, and found the C service and meals (lunch and dinner) to be good.

ORD2World

I realize that Z fares cannot be upgraded with a SWU.

Has anyone heard of United possibly making an exception to this, perhaps to 1K or UGS, allowing a SWU to be used on a Z fare, if (as an example) there is an available seat on day of departure?

Several times, NRSA folks have taken a seat that could have been used on one of these SWU/Z fare cases (I personally knew all persons involved). Seems like a small gesture to the 1K/UGS crowd. Similar favors are done by United, such as the lack of $150 change fees for award tickets (1K) and possibility of upgrading (with a Regional or SWU) an award ticket.

My company requires Z fares for international C travel, thus I am stuck.

izzik

I have not witnessed United making this exception if there is a seat available.

How about paying the fare difference to reach a SWU-friendly fare class?

mahasamatman

Gate agents have been known to make every possible exception.

DGellman

And while these exceptions can, and do, occur, they often go unreported on FT, so as to protect the livelihood of the generous Gate (or RCC) Agent.

Dave