2011 Mileage Plus and OnePass elite program developments

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Nov 16, 2010, 10:08 am

#151

PcolaPaul

Join Date: Sep 2006

Location: TPA, FL

Programs: United Gold, Hilton Diamond,Marriott Gold

Posts: 482

Quote:

Originally Posted by emanon256

After spending extra personal money on United this year, just so I could requalify for 1K and earn my CR1s next year, I feel like it's a slap in the face to learn that I will not be receiving the 2 quarterly CR1s any longer. The least they could have done was announced this loss of benefit for 2012, so we can make informed decisions about how we fly next year, but announcing it after most people have re qualified and United now has our money is simply disgraceful!

Also, as someone who has been having to do a lot of regional hops on puddle jumpers since August, and most likely through Dec 2011, 120 is now out of reach.

I have to agree that this was a crappy time to make this announcement.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:09 am

#152

Buzzman

Join Date: Aug 2010

Location: SNA and XRY

Programs: UA PP, 2 MM; IC;

Posts: 1,044

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimInSF

This is a HUGE devaluation for 1Ks.

What a disappointment, and how offensive to try to spin it as anything but a reduction of current benefits.

This does NOT bode well for the future.

Tim

QUOTE AT THE LINK ON THE BOTTOM OF EMAIL FROM UA:

"THERE'S MORE TO COME"

I can't wait

Nov 16, 2010, 10:09 am

#153

HeadInTheClouds

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 4,115

Quote:

Originally Posted by channa

+1

With CO's hand in things, I was fearing worse. While this is still technically a hit for many UA 1Ks (we'll get 4 CR1s vs. 8), it could have been worse (CO had 0).

Agree COMPLETELY. I have been scared waiting for my email announcing that CR1s were going away.

FWIW, I thought the existing UA system of 8-10 CR1s + UDUs was a bit too generous, and therefore, unsustainable. This strikes me as fair - and is still better than competitor's programs.

I also figure they were going to get one big "negative PR venting episode" card to play in this transition, and this was one of the big misalignments between the two programs. So, I'm kind of happy to see the card play out now - I personally hope it's a good sign for things like SWUs & E+.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:10 am

#154

tkflyer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Programs: UA 1MM Gold, Delta Gold, HH ◊, SPG Gold

Posts: 297

So even more tiers to the already 'running of the bulls' boarding process!

Is it going to have 3/4 1K printed on your boarding pass!

Nov 16, 2010, 10:10 am

#155

mechteach

Join Date: Jun 2006

Programs: Various

Posts: 6,526

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolbeans202

I'm not heartened by the fact that there is absolutely no mention of E+ in this...

Gahhhh...I hadn't even thought about that omission. Hopefully just not included in the announcement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmvaughn

Worst thing in all of this is the SWU being deposited when you hit 1K. So when you hit 100,000 EQM, you get 6 SWU and 2 CR-1s right then. I'd prefer the SWU to still post at the start of the year.

This is a really big problem for me. It will especially be an issue in when I have 12 (or maybe 14) SWUs to burn between Jan 2011 and June/July 2012.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa18dca

Get off your high horse, no...

I actually don't see a really big problem with this. Since CO is implementing a 100k tier, wouldn't the following upgrade priority on CO metal make sense:

CO P 100k, UA 1K, CO P <100k, UA 1P 75k, CO G, UA 1P standard, CO S, UA S ?

Nov 16, 2010, 10:12 am

#156

zrs70

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Feb 2000

Location: Los Angeles

Programs: UA Plat 2MM. DL Plat, AS MVP

Posts: 12,754

A note in support of UnitedPR,

His job is hard, and I think there are a lot of whiners on FT expecting that, for whatever reason, we deserve to know things before the general public does.

Folks, while we love miles, we are not an official lobby group! We don't deserve special advance notice. Sure, we appreciate direct communication. And we have respect for straight-talk (rather than sugar coated "enhancement" language). But come on! The majority of elites out there will not be incensed by all this. In fact, the majority of elites probably won't even be aware of this at all.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:13 am

#157

hobo13

Join Date: Jan 2005

Location: DEN

Programs: UA Gold-MM, AA Gold-MM, F9-Silver, Hyatt Something, Marriott Gold, IHG Plat, Hilton Diamond

Posts: 6,397

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds

I also figure they were going to get one big "negative PR venting episode" card to play in this transition, and this was one of the big misalignments between the two programs. So, I'm kind of happy to see the card play out now - I personally hope it's a good sign for things like SWUs & E+.

Let's be clear, this was just the top card of the deck. And there's no indication that it's their trump card either.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:14 am

#158

travel.flier

Suspended

Join Date: Jan 2009

Programs: UA 1k

Posts: 1,208

Quote:

Originally Posted by PcolaPaul

geesh this thread is full of gate lice *stands back waiting to be bashed* You know the best way to complain about the changes? Change alliances! If you feel you have to work harder for the same thing next year on *A then go to Delta's or another alliance.

I disagree. When UA tried to take away CR1s last year, it was quite effective to vent on this thread, followed by emails to 1kvoice, as well as facebook and twitter messages. If a portion of the people had just left, we may not have CR1's today.

I hope people complain about these changes - just don't limit it to the FT board. Use facebook, and of course email 1k voice.

Post your responses here from 1k voice.

My suggestion is to ask for a pair of CR1's every 25k miles for anyone who had 75k+ eqm's the year before.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:16 am

#159

alison11

Join Date: Feb 2009

Location: SEA

Programs: UA Prem, DL Plat, CO Plat, Torrid Diva,Rascal House (free cookies!), TWA Ambassador 183506503

Posts: 415

has anyone made a chart detailing the gains and losses?

Nov 16, 2010, 10:17 am

#160

kb1992

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jul 2003

Location: BOS, PVG

Programs: United 1K and 1MM, Marriott Ambassador

Posts: 10,000

This is CO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biff98

Ahemmm......

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What a horrible development. I just got my email and thought I'd check FT. I'm VERY glad to join my FT brethren in displaying our SEVERE distaste to these developments.

I *HATE*, I mean with a passion, HATE when companies try to tell me that making my experience WORSE is actually BETTER and NEW. It makes me feel like:

- The company is trying to hoodwink it's customers
- The company is treating me like a child
- Attempting to evoke the exact opposite attitude I have towards the information.

Dear United PR,
I know you're only doing your job, but JEEZ, to us "true" travelers here on the forum, couldn't you have at least said something like,

"Ok guys, I know this isn't going to be good news for you, but here's what's coming down the pipe."

I think you would have gotten a LOT warmer reception here on the forums. We all understand the game is going to change with the merger, but COME ON.

I live in Denver, I've been a loyal United flyer for years, but I am just NOT that premium or frequent of a flyer. For folks who do 120 EQS or easily 150K BIS these rules probably don't affect the much, but it's a huge effect on me, and:

I'M GOING SHOPPING FOR A NEW AIRLINE.

Not saying I'll find one given my situation, but I'M LOOKING.

Hello, people.

CO has been acting like this for long time.

When they installed 50% EQM on cheap fares, CO claimed it's "a benefit".

Whenever I see "ENHANCEMENT" from CO, I felt some cuts are coming.

Wake up. CO master is at its best again.

Nov 16, 2010, 10:19 am

#161

Buzzman

Join Date: Aug 2010

Location: SNA and XRY

Programs: UA PP, 2 MM; IC;

Posts: 1,044

My Email to 1KVoice

"I can not believe the email I got from you this morning which boldly said:

"1K members:
SEE HOW THE ELITE PROGRAM UPDATES BENEFIT YOU"

How, may I ask does anything contained in this email benefit a 1K? Makes me want to look around to other carriers.. maybe that is the benefit.

Buzzman
MP No. xxxxxxxxxxx"

Nov 16, 2010, 10:19 am

#162

travel.flier

Suspended

Join Date: Jan 2009

Programs: UA 1k

Posts: 1,208

Quote:

Originally Posted by kb1992

undo the merger!

Nov 16, 2010, 10:20 am

#163

adambrau

Join Date: Feb 2001

Location: NYC

Programs: UA MileagePlus 2MM

Posts: 1,569

The only thing that I find weird is that they increased the EQS to 120 while keeping the mileage requirement for 1K at 100K.

Otherwise the changes don't bother me at all. We nearly lost CR1's a while back when UDU started, and with Onepass having none we could have fared worse - ie lose them again. I never use all my CR1's as it is.

And my advise for anyone who is planning to switch to another FF program because of this is "fine, go ahead". But if you really are in it for the longhaul it doesn't help your lifetime miles levels to switch every time something gets devalued a bit. I would argue that apart for the 1K segment flyers this is not a big deal, and with nearly 1.4k million lifetime miles I am not going to switch over to AA - that in my opinion would be really nuts.

It seems like UA and CO are aligning themselves somewhere down the middle of the road on matters where previous practices were different. I am waiting to see what is going to happen to E+, if we lose that then the merger will have been a true devaluation for UA flyers. This, on the other hand, seems to be peanuts.