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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Mar 15, 2016, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by TonyBurr
It is pathetic that so many agents of UA do not know about ZFV. It is annoying that they are so ignorant.
+100000

I guess I would understand a legacy UA agent somewhere like PHX not knowing that it exists but I expect every agent at EWR to be familiar with the ZFV connection. I can't imagine what would have happened if I brought up the Allentown bus connection.
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 3:05 pm
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My flight

DUB-MAN
MAN-EWR
EWR-ZFV

ZFV-EWR
EWR-LHR
LHR-DUB

I missed my scheduled EWR-ZFV train and called amtrak they put me on the next train and I then called up UA and they said no problem it will reflect in their systems and my return leg won't be cancelled.

I called up UA 2 days later and they say they have no record of me taking train but my return leg has not been cancelled and I just have to check in at airport.

When I check reservation online I see the following message:


! A modification has been made to your itinerary. Please contact United Reservations to have your ticket reissued.
What should my next steps be? I'm a bit uneasy just waiting until i'm meant to fly, especially considering i'm coming from ZFV - what if if I can't print amtrak tickets.
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by EWRMAN
My flight

DUB-MAN
MAN-EWR
EWR-ZFV

ZFV-EWR
EWR-LHR
LHR-DUB

I missed my scheduled EWR-ZFV train and called amtrak they put me on the next train and I then called up UA and they said no problem it will reflect in their systems and my return leg won't be cancelled.

I called up UA 2 days later and they say they have no record of me taking train but my return leg has not been cancelled and I just have to check in at airport.

When I check reservation online I see the following message:




What should my next steps be? I'm a bit uneasy just waiting until i'm meant to fly, especially considering i'm coming from ZFV - what if if I can't print amtrak tickets.
Did you call up UA? That seems like the prudent thing to d
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Old Mar 17, 2016, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
Did you call up UA? That seems like the prudent thing to d
I did call united

I called up UA 2 days later and they say they have no record of me taking train but my return leg has not been cancelled and I just have to check in at airport.
but i'm not exactly feeling 100% confident of their advice "not to worry"
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I did call united



but i'm not exactly feeling 100% confident of their advice "not to worry"
Does UA still shw your Amtrak segment? Did the agent see it in your record?
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by jackal
I found the post where I discussed my experience:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21734532-post1110.html
So I read through Jackal's thread and the FAQ above and it seems like this should be possible but wondering if anyone else has tried this. I plan to take the same Amtrak train via a separately purchased ticket to ZFV from Aberdeen, MD. I clearly can't pick up the ZFV-EWR ticket since the layover at ZFV is only 8 minutes, so I am looking to either goto a local Quik-Trak machine the night before to try to print it (Aberdeen, MD station is unmanned), or follow the steps to confirm that it's in the system and then goto Baltimore to pick up the tickets 2 days before. Has anyone else had success picking up the tickets at a non ZXX location either thru Quik-Trak or thru Amtrak cashier?
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 10:52 am
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So you want to take the train but not the plane? Am I missing something here?

In any event, you'll find that 2 days before UA will almost certainly not have loaded your ticket into the Amtrak system. But, if you get on at Aberdeen with your other ticket you can always call UA for the Amtrak reservation number and then give that to the conductor. I'm pretty sure that will wrk.
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
So you want to take the train but not the plane? Am I missing something here?
I think the idea is that palffy wants to buy and travel on a ZFV-EWR-XXX ticket, but wants to board the train in Maryland (with a separately purchased Aberdeen-ZFV Amtrak ticket) and stay on the same train all the way to EWR to connect to the flight.

In any event, you'll find that 2 days before UA will almost certainly not have loaded your ticket into the Amtrak system. But, if you get on at Aberdeen with your other ticket you can always call UA for the Amtrak reservation number and then give that to the conductor. I'm pretty sure that will wrk.
If this is your outbound segment, then be sure to monitor your ticket for your return, as there's a decent chance it'll get canceled and need reinstating. You shouldn't have a problem getting it reinstated (save your ticket stubs just in case), but will want to keep an eye on the reservation so you don't lose seat assignments or anything.
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 12:11 pm
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Originally Posted by jackal
I found the post where I discussed my experience:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21734532-post1110.html
Originally Posted by themicah
I think the idea is that palffy wants to buy and travel on a ZFV-EWR-XXX ticket, but wants to board the train in Maryland (with a separately purchased Aberdeen-ZFV Amtrak ticket) and stay on the same train all the way to EWR to connect to the flight.
This part is correct, I have a flight to catch outbound after getting to EWR.

But, if you get on at Aberdeen with your other ticket you can always call UA for the Amtrak reservation number and then give that to the conductor. I'm pretty sure that will wrk.
So I don't have to provide a physical Amtrak ticket to stay on the train in Philadelphia.. the conductor will scan me in with a verbal reservation number/id? Still curious to hear what other alternatives worked for others.

If this is your outbound segment, then be sure to monitor your ticket for your return, as there's a decent chance it'll get canceled and need reinstating. You shouldn't have a problem getting it reinstated (save your ticket stubs just in case), but will want to keep an eye on the reservation so you don't lose seat assignments or anything.
I also recall reading from a post earlier in this thread that to get on the Airtrain at EWR I can pretty much flash any Amtrak ticket or it's scanned? Since with the latter scenario, I'll just have an Aberdeen-PHL (Amtrak) ticket on me..

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Originally Posted by palffy
I also recall reading from a post earlier in this thread that to get on the Airtrain at EWR I can pretty much flash any Amtrak ticket or it's scanned? Since with the latter scenario, I'll just have an ABE-PHL (Amtrak) ticket on me..
Once you get on the train at EWR you'll need a ticket. An ABE-PHL ticket (does Amtrak serve that with a bus?) won't make the conductor very happy.

Why dn't you tell us exactly what you're trying to do?
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
Once you get on the train at EWR you'll need a ticket. An ABE-PHL ticket (does Amtrak serve that with a bus?) won't make the conductor very happy.

Why dn't you tell us exactly what you're trying to do?
Xyzzy, I'm going the other way (flying out of EWR). So Aberdeen-ZFV-EWR-XXX (Aberdeen-EWR is the same Northeast Regional train) then XXX-PHL-Septa-Aberdeen a week later..

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Originally Posted by palffy
Xyzzy, I'm going the other way (flying out of EWR). So ABE-ZFV-EWR-XXX (ABE-EWR is the same Northeast Regional train) then XXX-PHL-Septa-ABE a week later..
After you check in online with UA, call Amtrak and get your ticket number. And at ABE have them issue the ticket there. Use your own purchase till PHL (ZFV) then use the UA/Amtrak codeshare ticket to EWR.. Should work, no?
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
After you check in online with UA, call Amtrak and get your ticket number. And at ABE have them issue the ticket there. Use your own purchase till PHL (ZFV) then use the UA/Amtrak codeshare ticket to EWR.. Should work, no?
https://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conte..._Page&code=ABE

No ticket office at Aberdeen..

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Originally Posted by palffy
Oops.. Sorry did not know that. But I do have a question.. How do you know UA will issue your ZFV-EWR ticket on the same NE Regional as the one your traveling on from ABE? It may be the next departure from ZFV and you will have time to collect at ZFV.. Just a thought. Good luck and keep us posted..
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Old Apr 13, 2016, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
Oops.. Sorry did not know that. But I do have a question.. How do you know UA will issue your ZFV-EWR ticket on the same NE Regional as the one your traveling on from ABE? It may be the next departure from ZFV and you will have time to collect at ZFV.. Just a thought. Good luck and keep us posted..
The arrival into ZFV is at 5:07AM and departure from ZFV is at 5:15AM. I assume it's the same train.. There were no earlier trains running to ZFV from Aberdeen to give myself extra time. Will definitely keep everyone updated but open to other suggestions on past experience..

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