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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Jul 17, 2016, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by IcedUpSquirrel
Hello all!
Will be taking a train from ZFV to EWR and EWR to YVR next week and was just wondering, if I arrive at ZFV ahead of my scheduled train, would I be able to take an earlier one if space was available?
Thanks!
I have had luck taking an earlier train to EWR from ZFV. Just ask the agent at the window if they can accomadate you..
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I have had luck taking an earlier train to EWR from ZFV. Just ask the agent at the window if they can accomadate you..
Thanks kindly for your reply! Will give it a go the day of!
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by IcedUpSquirrel
Thanks kindly for your reply! Will give it a go the day of!
Once the agent asked for "additional fare" I mentioned it was a codeshate with UA and pointed to "bulk" in the fare box on the Amtrak ticket and she said "oh okay" and reissued to the eariler train. I did first print out my ticket from the Quicktrak, but that may not be necessary if your starting from the window..
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Yes, that has been reported a couple of times up-thread, including one other time when it did not post automatically.
I wrote into to Mileage Plus to request manual credit on my EWR-ZFV segment after waiting a couple of weeks when it did not post.

I have now received double credit for the segment - two posting x 250 miles. I wonder if this mistake will get caught at some point?
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Old Jul 20, 2016, 8:39 pm
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What happens if I don't use first leg of ticket if first leg is Train????

Weird ticketing option coming up. Flight from Newark to West Palm is $100 more than routing 30th Street Train Station in Philly to Newark then fly to West Palm. (Had never seen a route come up before where the first leg was on Amtrak!)

So I know with flights if I don't fly the first leg they cancel the next leg. What happens if the first leg is an Amtrak train? Would they even know????

Anyone know the answer?
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Old Jul 20, 2016, 8:52 pm
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Originally Posted by David Simon
... So I know with flights if I don't fly the first leg they cancel the next leg. What happens if the first leg is an Amtrak train? ...
Yes, there is a risk of downstream cancellations. Not always but can and has happened.
Originally Posted by David Simon
... Anyone know the answer?
The thread's wiki has a good summary of the overall process.
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Originally Posted by guv1976
Forgive me if this has been mentioned up-thread, but I just recently discovered that MileagePlus miles can be redeemed for award travel to the Amtrak/UA codeshare stations (via EWR, of course).

In some cases, a Coach award to ZFV via EWR costs fewer miles than an award just to EWR!
To take this a little further, earlier I called Aeroplan to understand whether an AC award flight can include a ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, or ZWI O/D. Granted I only spoke with 1 rep, however, I was informed that because it is United who has the agreement with Amtrak, Aeroplan cannot initiate an award itinerary that includes one of the before-mentioned train stations.

Myself, I am just learning about this neat, long-existent intermodal feature. It is pleasing that the FT community is so open on the details of routing between United and Amtrak. Just a guess, but I figure United sees this codeshare concession as a competitive advantage strategy toward making Newark more accessible over other airports. But, then again, because the Port Authority operates most airports in this region, isn't EWR, LGA, and JFK inter-competition less important?

Because I live in NJ, very close to EWR, it doesn't make much sense for me to use this routing benefit, but still I find it very interesting. It's been fun to play around with planning some Future Travel ideas involving an EWR-Amtrak connection. One way I see to make it work is to take the train to or from Wilmington, Philadelphia, Stamford, or New Haven on either the front or back end of a United itinerary. The outstanding segment then becomes just a simple trip between any one of those downtown locations and where I live.
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You say that you live very close to EWR, but you muse about choosing to being or end your trip with an Amtrak segment. How can it possibly be advantageous to do that?

Infrequently, a fare might be a bit cheaper starting from ZFV that EWR, but infrequently. Otherwise, you are building in additional wait times and possibilities of schedule screw ups.
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Infrequently, a fare might be a bit cheaper starting from ZFV that EWR, but infrequently. Otherwise, you are building in additional wait times and possibilities of schedule screw ups.
I agree with what you said. For my testing, 8/22 and 9/22 AUS-ZFV routes appear pricier than do AUS-EWR flights.

Flipping the IATA codes and reanalyzing gives different results. If the comparisons are evaluated based on the actual flight number, the flight that is part of the ZFV-AUS itinerary is actually pricier than EWR-AUS booked on its own.

But this is all moot if looking for 12,500 (or other) United MileagePlus redemptions since the award mileage rate is flat. And, now I know it has to be United miles (or at least no AC miles) I can plan accordingly.

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You say that you live very close to EWR, but you muse about choosing to being or end your trip with an Amtrak segment. How can it possibly be advantageous to do that?
The extra Amtrak segment paired, for example, with a continuing train to Washington Union Station and a flight back two days later might be an neat way for me to visit DC again. Or, similarly, a trip including Boston or another city along the way. And, like I realized earlier, what's really cool is the train portion can be bolted on to either the front or back of a United booking. This really maximizes the flexibility of a sightseeing trip!
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Originally Posted by gamzarme
I agree with what you said. For my testing, 8/22 and 9/22 AUS-ZFV routes appear pricier than do AUS-EWR flights.

Flipping the IATA codes and reanalyzing gives different results. If the comparisons are evaluated based on the actual flight number, the flight that is part of the ZFV-AUS itinerary is actually pricier than EWR-AUS booked on its own.

But this is all moot if looking for 12,500 (or other) United MileagePlus redemptions since the award mileage rate is flat. And, now I know it has to be United miles (or at least no AC miles) I can plan accordingly.



The extra Amtrak segment paired, for example, with a continuing train to Washington Union Station and a flight back two days later might be an neat way for me to visit DC again. Or, similarly, a trip including Boston or another city along the way. And, like I realized earlier, what's really cool is the train portion can be bolted on to either the front or back of a United booking. This really maximizes the flexibility of a sightseeing trip!


If you want to fly to WAS on an award ticket, why not just book flights to WAS (via EWR, if need be), instead of taking Amtrak to PHL or Wilmington, and then paying for the continuing Amtrak leg to WAS? You'd save money, time (probably), and possibly even miles (if XXX-EWR is over 700 flight miles and XXX-WAS is not). UA's reduced-mileage awards only consider the mileage from origin to destination, even if your award itinerary has you connecting through a more distant point.
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Originally Posted by guv1976


If you want to fly to WAS on an award ticket, why not just book flights to WAS (via EWR, if need be), instead of taking Amtrak to PHL or Wilmington, and then paying for the continuing Amtrak leg to WAS? You'd save money, time (probably), and possibly even miles (if XXX-EWR is over 700 flight miles and XXX-WAS is not). UA's reduced-mileage awards only consider the mileage from origin to destination, even if your award itinerary has you connecting through a more distant point.
More likely I would book AUS-ZTF (Stamford, CT), en route to Boston. I have not taken that segment of the NEC, and, if I am correct, the train passes through NWK toward NYP and then across the Hells Gate bridge. Depending on which end of the air portion on the itinerary the train segment is scheduled to pair with and the time of arrival or departure, the route would afford some pretty nice landmark sightseeing. Anyway, a flight back from BOS airport would be ideal after a couple days visiting there.

It would be necessary to have a ticket purchased (electronically, in advance) to go from Stamford on up to Boston. Why does New Haven (ZVE / NHV) (and Wilmington, ZWI) result in the UA website throwing an error? NHV would be an $8 (or 414 AGR point) fare difference, so I guess it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Thanks - I will take a look at the UA reduced mileage awards to see if I can keep this itinerary within a short-haul distance.
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Old Jul 29, 2016, 2:11 pm
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Best option for zfv (Phl train) -Ewr -lax delay

Dear sages,

My husband was set to go zfv-Ewr-lax. The train is delayed two hours, and he will miss connection. UA has no other options today. Other airlines sold out (UA and I both checked).

Husband can take Uber to Ewr then get original flight. Not sure who would cover cost of that leg.

Does the ticket need to be reissued? If he no shows for the train, will he still be able to pick up flight in Ewr?
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Old Jul 29, 2016, 2:13 pm
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Have your husband asked for PHL-XXX-LAX instead?
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Old Jul 29, 2016, 2:13 pm
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From reports here, the train res system has never been synced with UA's systems to the extent that missing the train would cause any problems. I do not believe you would even need to tell UA that it was missed (could even cause confusion).

I have a feeling trying to get reimbursed for your own Uber would be troublesome, given not really a UA segment.

But in terms of rebooking -- it still seems there are ticketable possibilities PHL-SFO-LAX, PHL-IAD-LAX this afternoon.

Also -- it might be possible to get on another train instead -- you could go now to the Amtrak ticket window and try to get them to authorize it (hopefully)
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Old Jul 29, 2016, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
Have your husband asked for PHL-XXX-LAX instead?
Things are zeroed out. There is a middle e- seat via sfo. But with confirmed upgrade in ps, that would be hard to swallow!

UA needs to document this do we can best get reimbursed.
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