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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Jan 25, 2016, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
What did you do?
Sorry, forgot I had posted this.

We showed the gate person our receipt and he let us onto platform.

Got on Amtrak and explained the situation to the conductor and he actually said not too worry about it. I was a bit shocked.

My ticket was valid and he saw our original itinerary that I showed him with both of us on it.
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I'm kind of curious : are other carriers able to book the EWR-ZFV portion during IROPS? Say I'm flying LHR-EWR-PHL and PHL is shut down for some reason; could BA (or VA, or anyone, really) endorse to UA for EWR-ZFV?
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Old Jan 28, 2016, 10:21 am
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I've got a two-parter here.

First, I was booked TPA-IAD-PHL and wanted to get to PHL earlier. IAD-PHL was very full but the flights ex-TPA were not. I wanted to take advantage of TPA-EWR availability but UA doesn't fly EWR-PHL (it was nice when they still partnered with US). I called up and the agent was more than happy to switch me to TPA-EWR-ZFV.

Secondly, I had a very long EWR connection, arriving at 9:42 PM in EWR and scheduled to depart on a train at 11:37. That would get me to ZFV at 12:40 AM, which is rather late, and I had a lot of time at EWR. There was no other Amtrak stopping at EWR between 10PM and 11:47 (though there was one I just missed at 9:45 or so). However, there was a train passing through that was not stopping at EWR, but was stopping at MET around 10:40, getting me to ZFV at 11:30.

I called up Amtrak to see if I could switch my ticket to an earlier train MET-PHL rather than EWR-PHL (using Amtrak code now, PHL=30th street, not the airport). I would just pay for the NJ transit ticket EWR-MET myself, it was worth it to get home earlier. Amtrak said that because it was a UA codeshare they couldn't change it, but I could change it at the MET ticket counter before they closed at 10:30. NJ Transit was scheduled to get me to MET at 10:15 so I decided to go with that.

Well, I got to MET and it turns out the ticket office there closes at 9PM. I called up Amtrak and got a much less friendly agent who said, only the ticket office can make changes, the ticket office closes at 9, if you want to switch trains you can try when the ticket office reopens in the morning. No sympathy for Amtrak telling me the wrong closing time.

Well, I boarded the train with my ticket for the later one. I started telling the conductor my story, but he didn't say anything or let me finish, he just looked at my ticket and put the paid card above the seat without saying anything. Hooray for conductors!

My 250 miles still haven't posted to UA and it's 15 days tomorrow, so I'll have to submit a mileage request.
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Old Jan 28, 2016, 10:50 am
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oreozp, if EWR-ZFV was the final segment on your plane ticket, then you're probably fine and just need to request the miles. But if you have any segments after that (e.g., your ticket was originally a TPA-PHL-TPA roundtrip or something like that), keep an eye on the reservation because there's like a 90% chance that it'll get canceled and you'll have to have the ticket reinstated.
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Old Jan 28, 2016, 11:14 am
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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
Is that for the 5:15am train that you want to pickup at Metropark? I remind you that that train does not stop at Metropark.
Wow - thanks!! I was going to check the time later tonight and would of panicked if I had to make new plans at the last minute.

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Old Jan 29, 2016, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by themicah
oreozp, if EWR-ZFV was the final segment on your plane ticket, then you're probably fine and just need to request the miles. But if you have any segments after that (e.g., your ticket was originally a TPA-PHL-TPA roundtrip or something like that), keep an eye on the reservation because there's like a 90% chance that it'll get canceled and you'll have to have the ticket reinstated.
Yes, I did have that thought, but luckily EWR-ZFV was the final segment.
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Wow - thanks!! I was going to check the time later tonight and would of panicked if I had to make new plans at the last minute.
So, how did it work out for you?
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 12:00 pm
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So, how did it work out for you?
all worked out fine (fortunately). I changed my amtrak ticket at NY Penn station to a train the night before which I was more comfortable with. Got on the train had my ticket scanned arrived at newark airport drove home.

When home I called united to make sure that they saw that I took the train, they didn't but after some persuasion / explanation and supervisor assistance they recorded on my notes that I took the train. The next morning at the airport I could check in but not check bags at the kiosk and the kiosk showed that I hadn't taken the train. Got bags checked via human.

On way home I couldn't check in online so called United and the rep mentioned the train leg as showing as not being taken but saw from my notes that I had taken it so she did some magic at her end and I was then able to check in.
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Originally Posted by EWRMAN
all worked out fine (fortunately). I changed my amtrak ticket at NY Penn station to a train the night before which I was more comfortable with. Got on the train had my ticket scanned arrived at newark airport drove home.

When home I called united to make sure that they saw that I took the train, they didn't but after some persuasion / explanation and supervisor assistance they recorded on my notes that I took the train. The next morning at the airport I could check in but not check bags at the kiosk and the kiosk showed that I hadn't taken the train. Got bags checked via human.

On way home I couldn't check in online so called United and the rep mentioned the train leg as showing as not being taken but saw from my notes that I had taken it so she did some magic at her end and I was then able to check in.
I'm a bit confused.Did the OP game the system and did not take the train EWR to ZFV and visa versa? I am sure UA will shut this down in the future if this continues. I am all for mistakes, but going out of your way is not my style of travel to save some money.

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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
I'm a bit confused.Did the OP game the system and did not take the train EWR to ZFV and visa versa? I am sure UA will shut this down in the future if this continues. I am all for mistakes, but going out of your way is not my style of travel to save some money.
I think EWRMAN took the train from Metropark to EWR.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
I'm a bit confused.Did the OP game the system and did not take the train EWR to ZFV and visa versa? I am sure UA will shut this down in the future if this continues. I am all for mistakes, but going out of your way is not my style of travel to save some money.
I took the train.
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Originally Posted by EWRMAN
I took the train.
Would you care to elaborate.. ZFV-EWR and visa versa or some intermediate station other than ZFV?
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Downline boarding

Hi All,

I am traveling with the family ZFV-EWR-SJO tonight on 158 Northeast Regional.

Can someone confirm if the FAQ stance on boarding downline is still valid? We originally were thinking of Metropark and the schedule (Jan 2016) states that it does stop at Metropark. It doesn't show any special rules like drop off only but for some reason, you can't buy a ticket from Metropark to EWR on 158. This makes me think that they don't pickup. Because of this, we are now thinking of boarding in Trenton though the parking is considerable more $$$. Amtrak told me that if we try to board in Trenton, our reservation would be cancelled - just because it is downline and not what the ticket says.

My wife is just wants to board at ZFV to avoid any possibility of issues since it may ruin a vacation if we have real issues.

Thank you!
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by Mark Martin
Hi All,

I am traveling with the family ZFV-EWR-SJO tonight on 158 Northeast Regional.

Can someone confirm if the FAQ stance on boarding downline is still valid? We originally were thinking of Metropark and the schedule (Jan 2016) states that it does stop at Metropark. It doesn't show any special rules like drop off only but for some reason, you can't buy a ticket from Metropark to EWR on 158. This makes me think that they don't pickup. Because of this, we are now thinking of boarding in Trenton though the parking is considerable more $$$. Amtrak told me that if we try to board in Trenton, our reservation would be cancelled - just because it is downline and not what the ticket says.

My wife is just wants to board at ZFV to avoid any possibility of issues since it may ruin a vacation if we have real issues.

Thank you!
I am a purist and with close to 1MM in my UA account, so I play by the rules.. And with your family in tow, why not take the suggestion of your Wife and board from ZFV as the ticket was issued? Some may game the system, and will ultimately fail.. Safe Travels and Welcome to FT
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 10:13 am
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I just wanted to Post this from the Wiki:

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

Lets keep this great option alive.. Thanks and Safe Travels
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