Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Mar 13, 2019, 12:18 pm
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Hard to know. Some end up on avherald, some are reported to a FAA/NASA database that was mentioned here some time ago, some are only reported internally in the company, some are never disclosed by the pilots. It's not because we don't know of any events, that there haven't been any. The investigators will try to find anything that points in this direction and they will include it in their report if it is relevant. They may even interview pilots that reported similar events.
The FAA considers this among the information it will use to decide whether a grounding is appropriate, but the public pressure is already becoming overwhelming.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:21 pm
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I do not understand how anyone can believe the FAA these days is truly independent.
I understand Boeing not wanting the planes grounded they are there to make profits, but the FAA is supposed to protect the flying public. I believe there is too much fraternization between the government agency and the industry that agency is supposed to oversee.
The US (FAA) is not showing themselves to be a world leader for passenger safety IMO.
I understand Boeing not wanting the planes grounded they are there to make profits, but the FAA is supposed to protect the flying public. I believe there is too much fraternization between the government agency and the industry that agency is supposed to oversee.
The US (FAA) is not showing themselves to be a world leader for passenger safety IMO.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:26 pm
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IF anyone dies. It is almost seems like many who want the FAA & Boeing to ground the rest of MAX fleet immediately would be delighted if another accident happens to this aircraft series. All in the selfish delight to validate their opinions...
I for one hope no accident ever happens again to any aircraft, not just the MAX. I trust the investigators will get to the bottom of what happened and act accordingly. In the interim I don't wish ill will on any planes, passengers, companies, federal agencies, etc.
I for one hope no accident ever happens again to any aircraft, not just the MAX. I trust the investigators will get to the bottom of what happened and act accordingly. In the interim I don't wish ill will on any planes, passengers, companies, federal agencies, etc.
I do NOT trust investigators who have conflicts of interest with the companies they are investigating. That's true for airlines, cereal, and Tickle Me Elmos. @:-)
The only people with selfishness here are the execs at Boeing who stubbornly cling to the idea that, after two similar crashes killing 300 human beings, revenues mean more.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:31 pm
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President grounding 737 Max 8&9s via emergency order as soon as landed. No further take-offs.
Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.
1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.
Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.
1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.
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Mar 13, 2019, 12:34 pm
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Just added to the wiki: Trump announced an emergency order to ground the MAX8/9 in the USA, effective immediately but they can fly to their (next) destination if currently in flight.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:35 pm
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I do not understand how anyone can believe the FAA these days is truly independent.
I understand Boeing not wanting the planes grounded they are there to make profits, but the FAA is supposed to protect the flying public. I believe there is too much fraternization between the government agency and the industry that agency is supposed to oversee.
The US (FAA) is not showing themselves to be a world leader for passenger safety IMO.
I understand Boeing not wanting the planes grounded they are there to make profits, but the FAA is supposed to protect the flying public. I believe there is too much fraternization between the government agency and the industry that agency is supposed to oversee.
The US (FAA) is not showing themselves to be a world leader for passenger safety IMO.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Well, the court of public opinion has finally weighed in & it is now out of the Boeing's hands. Let's hope a thorough investigation can come to a definitive conclusion as to the cause of these aviation catastrophes. Anything less will not do justice to the victims, as well as all involved in the aviation industry and governmental oversight.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 12:39 pm
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One of two things happened: actionable data from the Ethiopian investigation is available which pushes the needle in favor of grounding (really bad), or the FAA caved to public pressure (also a bad outcome, but not a surprise in this day and age).
Either case is highly disturbing, but this tragedy truly creates a no-win situation.
Either case is highly disturbing, but this tragedy truly creates a no-win situation.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Good call to ground them. Need to see what the issue is here. Safety is the most important!
Mar 13, 2019, 12:40 pm
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Good opinion piece in the NY times today:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/boeing-737.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepa ge
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/boeing-737.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepa ge
That the airlines continue to fly this plane at this point is just baffling to me.
P.s. Well the FAA stepped in, so now AA,SWA, and UA will not only not get to fly the planes, but they will get no credit from the public for putting safety over $$$. Really, really stupid by all three management teams, who just don't seem to get the big picture.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:44 pm
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At this point, it's somehow almost better if there is a flaw? Your first scenario, while bad, seems better than your second.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:44 pm
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Looks like the FAA finally fell in line, and the MAX is grounded worldwide.
Mar 13, 2019, 12:45 pm
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Breaking: Trump orders United States 737MAX fleet grounded immediately.