Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Oct 31, 2019, 5:31 pm
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Unfortunately, many of the technical experts on this subject have been driven away on this thread by the continued ignorance of the facts and the treatment of false opinions as facts. Sometimes layman's terms and language do no service with a subject that is technical and has nuance. The easy way to look at the world is in black and white terms, but the world is gray.
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Oct 31, 2019, 6:17 pm
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In the case of the A-320 family it is/was definitely a smart decision by Airbus to make cabin wider for more comfortable 3x3 seating.
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Oct 31, 2019, 6:25 pm
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Unfortunately, many of the technical experts on this subject have been driven away on this thread by the continued ignorance of the facts and the treatment of false opinions as facts. Sometimes layman's terms and language do no service with a subject that is technical and has nuance. The easy way to look at the world is in black and white terms, but the world is gray.
Oct 31, 2019, 6:31 pm
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Interesting comment about the Max returning to service by Oscar Munoz:
He also said customers who book flights will be informed that the plane is the 737 Max, and will be given the option of finding another flight if they don’t feel safe.
“We’ll be incredibly transparent,” he said.
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/artic...nd-time-at-csx
He also said customers who book flights will be informed that the plane is the 737 Max, and will be given the option of finding another flight if they don’t feel safe.
“We’ll be incredibly transparent,” he said.
Oct 31, 2019, 8:48 pm
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I am happy to be corrected if my understanding is wrong. I grew up in Seattle, have three first cousins who were engineers there (one still is, in a very senior roll), and we had numberous family friends in senior positions at Boeing. I just find it sad the direction Boeing went after they were taken over by McDonald Douglas (anyone who knows the history will make clear that while Boeing bought McDonald, the McDonald approach/executive's ended up on top) from trying to build the world's best aircraft (see e.g. the 777) to a company more focused on playing political games and focused on the quarterly results.
The end result of the last 20 years is where Boeing finds itself now.
I spent a number of years in the "if it is not Boeing, I am not going" crowd. Given a choice (in coach) of a 777 or 763 or a 330/340 I found the Boeing to be more comfortable. I loved the UD on the 742/3/4. I was/am also a big fan on the 757 in First (other than on old NWA and on HP) due to 2L boarding. However, despite being a Boeing fan boy in my youth, at least sitting in Y, it has become clear to me (or better said to my butt and shoulders) that Airbus Aircraft are at this point more comfortable. Perhaps that means I am "biased against Boeing", I rather look at it as being willing to look at things objectively.
The end result of the last 20 years is where Boeing finds itself now.
I spent a number of years in the "if it is not Boeing, I am not going" crowd. Given a choice (in coach) of a 777 or 763 or a 330/340 I found the Boeing to be more comfortable. I loved the UD on the 742/3/4. I was/am also a big fan on the 757 in First (other than on old NWA and on HP) due to 2L boarding. However, despite being a Boeing fan boy in my youth, at least sitting in Y, it has become clear to me (or better said to my butt and shoulders) that Airbus Aircraft are at this point more comfortable. Perhaps that means I am "biased against Boeing", I rather look at it as being willing to look at things objectively.
Nov 1, 2019, 4:40 am
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I think the higher windows on the A320 series make it feel more modern, you have to really shuffle down in the seat to see out of a B737
Nov 1, 2019, 8:55 am
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This isn't really relevant to the topic, however the seats on the A32X are in general about an inch wider in Y than on the 737. Seats on 737 aircraft average about 17.2" for most airlines, on the A320 it's an average of about 18".
Nov 1, 2019, 12:49 pm
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ICYMI, the width of Boeing airplanes is relevant to any and all topics. Further, the width of seats is directly correlated to safety even though the wider seat does not necessarily provide more space for your shoulders.
Nov 1, 2019, 1:11 pm
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Discussion of the preference of AIrBus vs Boeing for comfort is a topic for other threads. This thread is about the 737 MAX situation, let's stay on that topic. There are plenty of other existing AIrBus vs Boeing comfort threads.
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Nov 1, 2019, 1:36 pm
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When will we have an opportunity to judge the comfort of a 737Max on UA?
But seriously Has UA Communications given a new timeline of what to expect in the past 30-45 days?
But seriously Has UA Communications given a new timeline of what to expect in the past 30-45 days?
Nov 1, 2019, 1:44 pm
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They are removing the MAX from their schedules far enough into the future that it doesn't disrupt their near-term scheduling and planning to change it at a late date.
Nov 2, 2019, 3:33 am
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This is a bit misleading. Airbus FBW is using the AOA sensors as input to the primary flight control system, on the MAX they're only being used for secondary flight controls. Very different design assurance levels required (and reasonable) and overrides available to the pilot.
The lack of AoA sensor failure reports from the US carriers, who operated way more MAX airframes and flights than the incident airlines, is curious.
The lack of AoA sensor failure reports from the US carriers, who operated way more MAX airframes and flights than the incident airlines, is curious.
Scares me even more that there is still denial that there is a problem ...
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Nov 2, 2019, 8:13 am
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I read somewhere the FA Union is raising its fear of flying the MAX again. WN, AA and UA workgroups.
Nov 2, 2019, 9:21 am
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1XB4AE
Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, which represents flight attendants at 20 airlines including United, said: “This week took a step backward in this process, not forward.”