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HeadInTheClouds Jan 4, 2020 6:49 am


Originally Posted by YumYumcake (Post 31900752)
Within 30 days or so you will pay a "close in booking fee" in miles. That's the extra 2.5K miles you see over the 25K. Look 30 days out and you should see the 25K awards.

And sometimes it’s 3k, sometimes 2.5k, based on my experiences just in the last week. Remember, these aren’t awards you “see” online, they are GS companion space overrides.

Feels more like “dynamic” pricing. Again, this isn’t a big deal right now, but it’s a scary precedent.

villox Jan 5, 2020 12:20 pm

Just did another companion Polaris saver award to Europe, 120,000 miles. No problem and fairly quick. She kept apologizing for how long it was taking but the entire call was 6 minutes long.

physioprof Jan 6, 2020 9:43 am

Just got off with GS agent after trying to get companion saver first on two non-stop domestic one-way paid first tickets, AAA-BBB & BBB-AAA, separated by three days. After she did AAA-BBB, I gave her the PNR for BBB-AAA & she goes, "Oh, that's the return. As of December 12, we can only force saver for one way of a round-trip." So I said, "That's not a return of a round-trip ticket; it's a distinct one-way flight." So she goes, "I've got to call the global services benefits specialist. Please hold." Ten minutes later she comes back & says, "Even though two one-way tickets, according to GS specialist this is a return trip and only one way can force saver."

I didn't attempt a legalistic discussion of how to unambiguously define a particular one-way ticket as a "return". If this is really the new rule, it sucks.

Kleinnaf Jan 6, 2020 9:50 am


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 31915162)
Just got off with GS agent after trying to get companion saver first on two non-stop domestic one-way paid first tickets, AAA-BBB & BBB-AAA, separated by three days. After she did AAA-BBB, I gave her the PNR for BBB-AAA & she goes, "Oh, that's the return. As of December 12, we can only force saver for one way of a round-trip." So I said, "That's not a return of a round-trip ticket; it's a distinct one-way flight." So she goes, "I've got to call the global services benefits specialist. Please hold." Ten minutes later she comes back & says, "Even though two one-way tickets, according to GS specialist this is a return trip and only one way can force saver."

I didn't attempt a legalistic discussion of how to unambiguously define a particular one-way ticket as a "return". If this is really the new rule, it sucks.

Huca.
Or better yet
Do each on separate phone calls.

UAflyer93 Jan 6, 2020 10:09 am


Originally Posted by Kleinnaf (Post 31915190)
Huca.
Or better yet
Do each on separate phone calls.

In the last couple months, I’ve gone from having to HUCA every 20 phone calls to doing 3 HUCAs every 3 calls. Seriously frustrating.

ua_sp_102366 Jan 6, 2020 10:15 am

Re-posting this from the 2019 thread - I wrote to GS about the following
  • T - XN conversion. I am told that the GS member needs to be traveling in order to convert T to XN. Furthermore, I am now told this is limited to 1 companion only.
  • IN inventory while GS in paid business: I am told that if i now buy a round trip business class revenue ticket the agent is only allowed to open up IN class for one segment. e.g., if i buy ORD - SFO - HKG RT ticket as UA eliminated the ORD - HKG direct flight the GS agent can now only open up IN for one segment (i.e., ORD - SFO, SFO - HKG, HKG - SFO, or SFO-ORD). If this is the case i think this is a huge devaluation in program perks
  • PZ - IN conversion. I am now told that PZ to IN conversion can take place but IN pricing can vary? E.g., I want to open up IN space on EWR - HKG as PZ is available. Up until a few months ago this meant that I would be charged 70K miles. How would this be priced now? This morning i had a GS agent open IN space on ORD - BKK via FRA and was told by one agent that it would cost be 96.5K miles and another agent 90K miles.
  • XN / YN to PN upgrades. I am now told that agent can only process YN to PN. Saver award XN to PN using plus points has been eliminated as of 12/12/2019
  • XN / IN pricing upon overbooking: Please provide clarity on pricing of XN (saver coach) OR IN (saver business). I flew ORD to TPE (connecting in SFO) three days ago in paid business. I opened up saver business (IN) for my wife and paid 70k miles. This morning i was told by a service director that the price for saver business will vary and she doesn’t know how it works. The computer algorithm will spit out the required number of miles.
Response from United

Thank you for being a Global Service member and congratulations for your 2020 invite! I'm sorry to hear of the confusion over your benefits. I contacted a representative from the Global Service Department directly.

Bullet #1. It is true that you are now limited to just 1 companion when converting T to XN class and you also have to be traveling.
Bullet #2. When you purchase a roundtrip business ticket, our guidelines now state that we can "open up" only one segment in IN class.
Bullet #3. You were advised correctly. The IN fare class pricing may change. It is part of what we call "dynamic pricing". We quote the amount of miles needed at the time of the request and this is subject to change.
Bullet #4. We can process both YN/XN to PN. So, the statement "Saver award XN to PN using plus points has been eliminated" is not correct per 3 different Global Service agents.
Bullet #5. Again, pricing may vary due to the dynamic pricing.

My apologies again for the lengthy phone calls and possibly conflicting information. We do expect every member of our team to provide professional service and it sounds like we fell short. My apologies. Please let us know if we may be of further assistance.

villox Jan 6, 2020 10:40 am


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 31915162)
Just got off with GS agent after trying to get companion saver first on two non-stop domestic one-way paid first tickets, AAA-BBB & BBB-AAA, separated by three days. After she did AAA-BBB, I gave her the PNR for BBB-AAA & she goes, "Oh, that's the return. As of December 12, we can only force saver for one way of a round-trip." So I said, "That's not a return of a round-trip ticket; it's a distinct one-way flight." So she goes, "I've got to call the global services benefits specialist. Please hold." Ten minutes later she comes back & says, "Even though two one-way tickets, according to GS specialist this is a return trip and only one way can force saver."

I didn't attempt a legalistic discussion of how to unambiguously define a particular one-way ticket as a "return". If this is really the new rule, it sucks.

So, I just got the same message when trying to open a domestic saver award on a roundtrip. I asked her to "quote" the policy, and she had it pretty readily so not sure if it was really quoting, but she said something to the effect of "When a global services member purchases a first class ticket you may force space for only one leg of the journey (either upgrade or saver award space)". HUACA and got it done in 5 minutes.

The fact that she said "first class" makes me wonder if this is only for domestic, as I have yet to have any agent give me pushback on international. If this is how it is for domestic, I guess I could live with it, though I'm not happy about it. At risk is just the extra change fees if I have to change them. If this is the case for international as well, then it is a HUGE devaluation of Global Services benefits.

I also asked the first agent if it would matter if I did two one-ways instead. She said "I'm not really supposed to answer that".

chitraveler1975 Jan 6, 2020 12:03 pm

Do we know if the difficult responses are coming disproportionately from the ex-Continental agents, or have Detroit and Honolulu agents gone rogue as well? Would be a real shame if we lost those super-helpful agents

villox Jan 6, 2020 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by chitraveler1975 (Post 31915725)
Do we know if the difficult responses are coming disproportionately from the ex-Continental agents, or have Detroit and Honolulu agents gone rogue as well? Would be a real shame if we lost those super-helpful agents

I don't know how you'd be able to tell. All I know is I don't think this is an accident - the rogue agents might be the ones who are still being helpful...

cesco.g Jan 6, 2020 12:14 pm

I had a question sent to regular GS-email CS. But answer came back from mileageplus CS, not GS CS as I had always experienced sofar.
A new procedure?

PBIFLL Jan 6, 2020 12:23 pm

So if you are flying RT aaa-bbb-ccc where ccc is in europe and all they will upgrade is bbb-ccc one way what happens for the rest? is it charged as a standard award or ?? Europe used to be 120 as a saver Biz. what would it be now?

cesco.g Jan 6, 2020 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by ua_sp_102366 (Post 31915290)
  • T - XN conversion. I am told that the GS member needs to be traveling in order to convert T to XN. Furthermore, I am now told this is limited to 1 companion only.
It is true that you are now limited to just 1 companion when converting T to XN class and you also have to be traveling.

Many GS flyers are part of a family of 3 or 4, e.g. wife/husband and a couple of kids, so allowing T>XN for two or three pax is really in order. On top IME this happens only once or twice/year anyway on a family vacation. This is a very family-unfriendly policy & huge devaluation.

LIH Jan 6, 2020 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by cesco.g (Post 31915890)
Many GS flyers are part of a family of 3 or 4, e.g. wife/husband and a couple of kids, so allowing T>XN for two or three pax is really in order. On top IME this happens only once or twice/year anyway on a family vacation. This is a very family-unfriendly policy & huge devaluation.

How many GS' aren't 1MM flyers though? My wife gets my GS status which usually solves this issue.

villox Jan 6, 2020 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by PBIFLL (Post 31915819)
So if you are flying RT aaa-bbb-ccc where ccc is in europe and all they will upgrade is bbb-ccc one way what happens for the rest? is it charged as a standard award or ?? Europe used to be 120 as a saver Biz. what would it be now?

This is what they're claiming. You'd either have to do an economy award with a Plus Points waitlist on the other leg, or buy a standard award, which with dynamic pricing...sky's the limit.

For example, on a EWR-ATH-EWR trip I have this fall, the pricing for a companion on a paid fare was 120,000 miles. If this rule was enforced, it would have jumped to 215,000 miles (155+60). The standard award for the return is actually showing as 236,000 miles ONE-WAY ATH-EWR, but in this case I'd obviously prefer the cheaper standard award on the outbound and use the "force" for the more expensive return.

Again if this holds, it's not only a massive devaluation, but would totally change whether I think fighting so hard for United to keep GS. Maybe united thinks GS will cough up the additional miles for companions, but instead I would just not take the trip in the first place, or fly economy.

villox Jan 6, 2020 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by LIH (Post 31915901)
How many GS' aren't 1MM flyers though? My wife gets my GS status which usually solves this issue.

Well, I'm a 4 year GS and won't reach 1MM until next month. And this only helps if the spouse has the miles. Most of the miles would be in the primary GS account which is where they have to come from.


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