Mar 11, 2019, 12:37 pm
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The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
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The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
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How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
If you do not wish to fly on a MAX aircraft, we will rebook you at no charge or refund your ticket. This includes domestic ticket changes, Basic Economy tickets and international tickets if you move from one of our MAX flights to one of our non-MAX United or United Express flights. If your original itinerary involved another carrier, we will attempt to rebook you on your original airline on a non-MAX flight as well.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and it’s something we will never compromise for any reason.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and it’s something we will never compromise for any reason.
We will waive any applicable change fees or difference in fare if your rebooked flight:
If you don’t meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
- Has the same origin and destination as your original flight
- Is in your originally ticketed cabin (any booking code)
- Is rescheduled for the same day or one day earlier or later than your original travel date
- Is a United or United Express flight only
If you don’t meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
================
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
B737MAX-Cleared by FAA to resume passenger flights;UA MAX flights resumed 11 Feb 2020
Mar 22, 2021, 6:35 am
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thers.
Mar 22, 2021, 6:56 am
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I've seen/used these in bulkhead rows in the main cabin on other airlines.
Mar 22, 2021, 7:22 am
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Mar 22, 2021, 10:58 am
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My guess is that it's to prevent pax from flying too far forward in the event of a crash. Pax in other rows will hit the seat in front of them while those in the bulklhead have more room. Either that or it's because the wall in front of row 1 is harder than the seats in front of the other rows. I've never found those belts to be more or less uncomfortable than any thers.
thers.
Mar 22, 2021, 11:13 am
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The regulation is § 25.562 Emergency landing dynamic conditions.
The AMOC is in Advisory Circular 25.562-1B
The AMOC is in Advisory Circular 25.562-1B
Apr 3, 2021, 8:17 pm
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I'll be flying UA for the first time in over a year with a DEN-LAS flight in April. I specifically booked away from MAXes and am on a 739. Will let everyone know if they attempt to swap, and if so, how I come out. (I have a personal moratorium on MAXes until about this time next year.)
Apr 4, 2021, 8:46 am
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I had my MAX Return to Service simulator training last week.
It was more than just MCAS and runaway stabilizer scenarios. We discussed then explored all of the software changes from the NG and the original MAX, reviewed the changes in the immediate action (memory items) of the affected non-normal checklists, practiced all of the manual trimming techniques (each pilot individually, two hands on one handle, one hand on each trim wheel handle, and both pilots trimming together), and unreliable airspeed scenarios immediately after takeoff. Prior to doing the simulator training there had been approximately two hours (IIRC) of CBT training. None of the procedures were particularly difficult but it was good to see them all and get a chance to practice them.
After completing this training, I'll have no concerns about sending my family on a UAL MAX flight.
BTW, the MAX sim was nice. Still has that new simulator smell.
The MAX sims are in a brand new wing of the training center that also includes a couple of new 787 sims.
It was more than just MCAS and runaway stabilizer scenarios. We discussed then explored all of the software changes from the NG and the original MAX, reviewed the changes in the immediate action (memory items) of the affected non-normal checklists, practiced all of the manual trimming techniques (each pilot individually, two hands on one handle, one hand on each trim wheel handle, and both pilots trimming together), and unreliable airspeed scenarios immediately after takeoff. Prior to doing the simulator training there had been approximately two hours (IIRC) of CBT training. None of the procedures were particularly difficult but it was good to see them all and get a chance to practice them.
After completing this training, I'll have no concerns about sending my family on a UAL MAX flight.
BTW, the MAX sim was nice. Still has that new simulator smell.
The MAX sims are in a brand new wing of the training center that also includes a couple of new 787 sims.
Apr 4, 2021, 9:51 am
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Thanks for the report 
Of course being the irresponsible brother that I am, I booked my sibling on a MAX 
And being an aviation fan / geek, he loved that he got to fly a new "type"
And being an aviation fan / geek, he loved that he got to fly a new "type"
Apr 4, 2021, 2:47 pm
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Really good flight overall. I like the window shade and seat reclining feature are actually operable, and for picking 7F (first row of main cabin), I got two windows at my seat; engine noise is minimal, even sitting very much near it. F was fully booked at least a week prior to departure (not even a chance upgrade) - 20+ on the UG list, and not one person cleared.
Two more trips on 7M9 in the next few weeks.
Apr 4, 2021, 10:23 pm
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I had my MAX Return to Service simulator training last week.
It was more than just MCAS and runaway stabilizer scenarios. We discussed then explored all of the software changes from the NG and the original MAX, reviewed the changes in the immediate action (memory items) of the affected non-normal checklists, practiced all of the manual trimming techniques (each pilot individually, two hands on one handle, one hand on each trim wheel handle, and both pilots trimming together), and unreliable airspeed scenarios immediately after takeoff. Prior to doing the simulator training there had been approximately two hours (IIRC) of CBT training. None of the procedures were particularly difficult but it was good to see them all and get a chance to practice them.
After completing this training, I'll have no concerns about sending my family on a UAL MAX flight.
BTW, the MAX sim was nice. Still has that new simulator smell. The MAX sims are in a brand new wing of the training center that also includes a couple of new 787 sims.
It was more than just MCAS and runaway stabilizer scenarios. We discussed then explored all of the software changes from the NG and the original MAX, reviewed the changes in the immediate action (memory items) of the affected non-normal checklists, practiced all of the manual trimming techniques (each pilot individually, two hands on one handle, one hand on each trim wheel handle, and both pilots trimming together), and unreliable airspeed scenarios immediately after takeoff. Prior to doing the simulator training there had been approximately two hours (IIRC) of CBT training. None of the procedures were particularly difficult but it was good to see them all and get a chance to practice them.
After completing this training, I'll have no concerns about sending my family on a UAL MAX flight.
BTW, the MAX sim was nice. Still has that new simulator smell.
The MAX sims are in a brand new wing of the training center that also includes a couple of new 787 sims.
Apr 7, 2021, 3:32 am
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You have already been successful but for the future the short version of the waiver is
Apr 9, 2021, 8:14 am
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New grounding, 16 operators (including UA) but not the full fleet.
Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations, the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.
Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations, the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.
Apr 9, 2021, 10:50 am
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Apr 9, 2021, 10:59 am
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They blended that new G building in well with the adjoining A and B buildings. The previous "New" building, F, was much more modern in design. Overall, it's a very nice facility.
Apr 9, 2021, 11:29 am
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New grounding, 16 operators (including UA) but not the full fleet.
Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations, the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.
Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations, the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.