Mar 11, 2019, 12:37 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
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The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
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The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
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How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Now that UA MAX flights have resumed, see UA statement at All about the Boeing 737 MAX: Safety, status and more
If you do not wish to fly on a MAX aircraft, we will rebook you at no charge or refund your ticket. This includes domestic ticket changes, Basic Economy tickets and international tickets if you move from one of our MAX flights to one of our non-MAX United or United Express flights. If your original itinerary involved another carrier, we will attempt to rebook you on your original airline on a non-MAX flight as well.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and it’s something we will never compromise for any reason.
When we begin to fly the MAX once again, you should feel completely confident that we have taken all the necessary steps to confirm that our 737 MAX aircraft are as safe as any of our aircraft flying today. Safety has been and always will be our top priority, and it’s something we will never compromise for any reason.
We will waive any applicable change fees or difference in fare if your rebooked flight:
If you don’t meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
- Has the same origin and destination as your original flight
- Is in your originally ticketed cabin (any booking code)
- Is rescheduled for the same day or one day earlier or later than your original travel date
- Is a United or United Express flight only
If you don’t meet these conditions but still want to rebook, you may use the value of your ticket to rebook on another flight without a change fee, but a fare difference may apply based on the fare rules of the ticket.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
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WineCountryUA
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
The first B737 MAX, an enhanced version of the B737 family, started service in May 2016, a MAX 8. MAX 9 entered service March 2018. (UA service start date??)
The MAX series was ground in March 2019 after two incidents involve the MCAS; Lion Air Flight 610 - Wikipedia and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 - Wikipedia
United did not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it had operated the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) were grounded. Boeing in conjunction with FAA, EASA, Transport Canada and other national air safety organizations entered into a cause investigation, into the MCAS operation, into if sufficient training had been provided and into if the original certification process had been sufficient rigid.
Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF).
The FAA (18 Nov 2020), EASA (24 Nov 2020) and Transport Canada (17 Dec 2020) have re-certified the MAX 8 & MAX 9 for commercial flight
Boeing 737 MAX certification - Wikipedia
AA resumed use of MAX8 on 29 Dec 2020
UA plans to resumes service of the MAX9 in Feb 2020 (from IAH and DEN)
Airlines have resumed taking deliveries of the MAX 8 & 9
================
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
B737MAX-Cleared by FAA to resume passenger flights;UA MAX flights resumed 11 Feb 2020
Jan 1, 2021, 3:58 pm
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Of course, trite as it sounds, renaming the plane may be the simplest solution to assuage any extant concerns of the general public.
Jan 1, 2021, 4:04 pm
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That’s my point. If you stuck a microphone in front of most passengers and asked them how they enjoyed their trip on the new Boeing Airbus, they’d answer without hesitation.
Jan 1, 2021, 9:41 pm
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Most of the general population will notice the departure/arrival time and the price - most will be most concerned with the latter. Most won’t even know what kind of plane they are on until after they board, and even then, many will only know if they decide to look at the safety card with the type printed on it.
sure they have a choice. But what are they going to do?
They could try and negotiate their way out of the contract to take delivery of the rest, I suppose, but then they are going to be short a lot of aircraft they need to run their schedule (at least, when things get back to normal).
also, given the economics they probably want to use them. Especially now, with travel as it is, those fuel savings over the -900 is going to be important. They are also likely paying for these as opposed to many of the older aircraft. So why would they not run them?
Jan 13, 2021, 9:29 am
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By the way, United has a dedicated webpage regarding the resumption of its MAX flights:
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...t/737-MAX.html
"Pilot training
All United pilots who will fly the 737 MAX will undergo FAA-approved training to learn how the updated software will impact the flight controls and practice how to respond to scenarios they may encounter in the sky. The training includes:
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...t/737-MAX.html
"Pilot training
All United pilots who will fly the 737 MAX will undergo FAA-approved training to learn how the updated software will impact the flight controls and practice how to respond to scenarios they may encounter in the sky. The training includes:
- Computer-based instruction
- Hands-on training in a full-flight simulator
- A systems briefing, checklist and quick-reference handbook"
Jan 14, 2021, 9:10 am
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Feb 12, 2021, 4:24 pm
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Almost a month
Since any posts in this thread.
Sorry Naysayers....
Its baaaaaaaack!!
https://simpleflying.com/united-airl...s-max-flights/
RNE may get his ride to Rekjavik yet!
Happy Aviating.
Sorry Naysayers....
Its baaaaaaaack!!
https://simpleflying.com/united-airl...s-max-flights/
RNE may get his ride to Rekjavik yet!
Happy Aviating.
Feb 12, 2021, 5:15 pm
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I actually flew on one. It was on WN though, I think MDW-TPA, during the week or so between when the EU and the rest of the world grounded them, and when the FAA finally did. I didn't realize I was on one until I got to my seat and saw the safety card labelled 737 MAX (all WN planes are similar in a 737 kinda way).
I would be fine with flying on one now after the re-cert process, but TBH I was a bit apprehensive that day until after several minutes into the flight (since it seemed like the MAX crashes happened pretty soon after takeoff). Flight was uneventful. I think the FAA finally grounded them the next day.
I would be fine with flying on one now after the re-cert process, but TBH I was a bit apprehensive that day until after several minutes into the flight (since it seemed like the MAX crashes happened pretty soon after takeoff). Flight was uneventful. I think the FAA finally grounded them the next day.
Feb 12, 2021, 9:39 pm
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If WN is a part of your travel plans in the future, better plan on more survivable MAX experiences. It seems UA is incorporating them as quickly as they're cleared, and they're already proving their fuel savings claims. Couldn't be better timing for UA.
Feb 12, 2021, 9:54 pm
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AA resumed MAX operations 6 weeks ago, UA yesterday, AS in 2 weeks and the largest domestic MAX operator WN on March 11
Feb 13, 2021, 8:50 pm
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Return of the 739 MAX looks like it’ll cause problems for some people. Making travel plans for someone who isn’t comfortable flying them yet might result in flights at less desirable times to avoid them. 5 flights IAH-LAS next Friday - the last 3 being MAX 9s. One has no choice but fly in morning to avoid that a/c. UA ought to alternate the MAX and non-MAX departures (too complicated, probably, to schedule it that way).
Personally, I would get on a MAX if the schedule worked best for me. I would think the pilots would feel somewhat comfortable flying them to be on one.
Personally, I would get on a MAX if the schedule worked best for me. I would think the pilots would feel somewhat comfortable flying them to be on one.
Feb 14, 2021, 10:34 am
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Return of the 739 MAX looks like it’ll cause problems for some people. Making travel plans for someone who isn’t comfortable flying them yet might result in flights at less desirable times to avoid them. 5 flights IAH-LAS next Friday - the last 3 being MAX 9s. One has no choice but fly in morning to avoid that a/c. UA ought to alternate the MAX and non-MAX departures (too complicated, probably, to schedule it that way).
Personally, I would get on a MAX if the schedule worked best for me. I would think the pilots would feel somewhat comfortable flying them to be on one.
Personally, I would get on a MAX if the schedule worked best for me. I would think the pilots would feel somewhat comfortable flying them to be on one.