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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Apr 19, 2018, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
The car pick up is only for aircraft arriving at an outside (bus) position. Also A380 arrivals in MUC T2S (Gates L30 and L13) have drivers meeting F pax.
Thanks, I will not be arriving an an A380, it will likely be a CR9 arriving at B gates. Is this usually bus-to-gate or will we taxi directly to the gate?
(The connection will likely be from B gates (T1) to L gates (T2) )

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Old Apr 19, 2018, 1:57 pm
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LH group doesn't use MUC T1 B, if you are coming in on a CR9 it will be an outside position. The pickup will be dropping you in the G26 area.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
LH group doesn't use MUC T1 B, if you are coming in on a CR9 it will be an outside position. The pickup will be dropping you in the G26 area.
My mistake, I do see a few inbound to MUC coming in at "T2, bus" on the website, so my flight details should be clear on LH.com the day of travel
Back to my original question:
I am in Biz on the CR9, will I have a car pick me up if I am heading to my connection to the A380 (sitting in F), or will I have to ride the bus with the "oh, so less-privileged"?
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by weezl
My mistake, I do see a few inbound to MUC coming in at "T2, bus" on the website, so my flight details should be clear on LH.com the day of travel
Back to my original question:
I am in Biz on the CR9, will I have a car pick me up if I am heading to my connection to the A380 (sitting in F), or will I have to ride the bus with the "oh, so less-privileged"?
car pickup for connecting F pax.
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Old Apr 20, 2018, 9:56 am
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So my FRA HND cleared with F4A4 about a week out. Now I just applied a GPU to HND FRA ... about 18 hours before departure. Flight is F3A3, waitkisted. Here’s hoping ...

Btw, does checking in alter chances of upgrade before the gate in any way? I’m not currently checked in but wondering if I should or if it’ll break anything.
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Old Apr 20, 2018, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
So my FRA HND cleared with F4A4 about a week out. Now I just applied a GPU to HND FRA ... about 18 hours before departure. Flight is F3A3, waitkisted. Here’s hoping ...

Btw, does checking in alter chances of upgrade before the gate in any way? I’m not currently checked in but wondering if I should or if it’ll break anything.
checking in does not break anything w/ the LH UG process.
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 3:01 pm
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Is there anything I'm missing here?

My employer lets us get PE tickets. I could get a PE ticket (assuming correct fare class), and use an upgrade to Business.

If I'm flying home on another trip on my own dime, I could just buy an economy ticket with the correct fare class and upgrade to business.

Seems like it would be better to use the GPU's on my (own dime) Economy flights (assuming fare classes' met)...no?
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by BThumme
Seems like it would be better to use the GPU's on my (own dime) Economy flights (assuming fare classes' met)...no?
Sure, assuming (1) you have only as many GPUs as you have trips of this type and (2) all of these trips are equally likely to clear.

Not sure what the question is.
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by findark
Sure, assuming (1) you have only as many GPUs as you have trips of this type and (2) all of these trips are equally likely to clear.

Not sure what the question is.
Moreso confirming that both Premium Economy and Regular economy both book into business (and not economy-> premium), so it makes more sense to use the upgrades (if they would clear) from Economy to Business.
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by BThumme
Moreso confirming that both Premium Economy and Regular economy both book into business (and not economy-> premium), so it makes more sense to use the upgrades (if they would clear) from Economy to Business.
Yes, that is correct. LH uses a very opaque formula for waitlist priority so I don't know how Q versus E would affect your chances. I have had a very good record clearing waitlisted GPUs from E into I on LH.
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by BThumme
Moreso confirming that both Premium Economy and Regular economy both book into business (and not economy-> premium), so it makes more sense to use the upgrades (if they would clear) from Economy to Business.
Not sure I understand the question.

If you're assured of clearing, it makes sense to book the cheapest upgradeable fare, regardless of cabin. (Keeping in mind that the minimum upgradeable fare on LH is a Q.) If there's uncertainty whether the GPU will clear, it may make sense to book PE, depending on what the differential is to the Q fare and whether you're willing to fly in Y if you don't clear.
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Old Apr 23, 2018, 10:40 pm
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I've encounter some Q fares that are more expensive than PE.
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Old Apr 24, 2018, 1:10 pm
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This is great news Oliver! I will have to refund my CAI-ORD fare and book a P/Z fare!!!!! Great news.
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Old Apr 25, 2018, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by schley
This is great news Oliver! I will have to refund my CAI-ORD fare and book a P/Z fare!!!!! Great news.
Well this isn't working for me. I called to the 1K line and attempted to verify this, as I have a present D class CAI-FRA-ORD and back flight wait listed with a GPU.

1st agent checked with a supervisor and no dece said they don't see this in the system yet. Called back as he wasn't budging and 2nd agent also coudln't find this. Oliver any insights?
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Old Apr 25, 2018, 12:25 pm
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Multiple reports here of successfully upgrading paid P fares to F with GPU. Note that the UA policy has not changed (however LH now permits its own members to upgrade P and Z), so this could potentially be considered a system glitch of sorts. The GPU request is 100% electronic, so it's all "computer says".
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