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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Jul 24, 2018, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by f4freeJunior
What does that mean? I am booked on a LH operated flight in D class under LX codeshare number on a LH 220x ticket stock. Is there a way to upgrade that sector? How would UA be able to convert the flight number in that case?
UA can't convert that. You'd need LH to do it. You can ask for more information on the LH forum, but, as a general approach, I'd call LH and explain that you wanted to use a United Airlines upgrade certificate, so ask if they could convert the flight to an LH code instead of the LX code.

Most people who ask about codeshares on this forum are talking about UA codes on 016 tickets, which are when you'd want to call UA.
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Old Jul 24, 2018, 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by f4freeJunior
What does that mean? I am booked on a LH operated flight in D class under LX codeshare number on a LH 220x ticket stock. Is there a way to upgrade that sector? How would UA be able to convert the flight number in that case?
As a 220 ticket, only LH can change it -- UA can not. And LH requires the flight segment to be a native LH flight number to use a UA GPU. You will have to take this up with LH and might be a problem.
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Old Jul 24, 2018, 4:57 pm
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Thank you. The thing is when I try to book it with a LH flight number the fare increases by 1k usd. So I assume LH would not want to convert into LH flight number for free, once the ticket is issued.
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 12:12 am
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LH will not 'convert' any segments for anyone calling them. The codeshare UA to LH is only done by United as a service to their 1K/GS because of the shortcomings of the GPU system. It is possible becuase LH/UA flight numbers should have the same inventory (in theory) under their TATL revenue share agreement.
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 2:53 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
LH will not 'convert' any segments for anyone calling them. The codeshare UA to LH is only done by United as a service to their 1K/GS because of the shortcomings of the GPU system. It is possible becuase LH/UA flight numbers should have the same inventory (in theory) under their TATL revenue share agreement.
OK clear, thanks Oliver.
Btw, what is the reason why LX is not a partner for GPU? Are there any plans that in future GPUs can be redeemed on LX?
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 3:51 pm
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I just had an exciting scare...

My GPU cleared two days ago for an LH flight. The UA PNR was a mess as usual, but I let it slide since the new segment was confirmed on LH and I could select a seat... despite the fact that my original PE seat assignment never unblocked. That seems to have been a mistake.

Today, I got a notice that my GPU "request was canceled" and I log in to find that the I segment has been deleted from my PNR on both UA and LH. I call LH, and they tell me it was a UA-initiated request to cancel a duplicate segment, and they could not help since it was an 016 ticket. Okay... time for UA. Credit to the UA and 1K side of the house, I got an excellent agent who immediately summoned a supervisor and the LH liaison desk on conference call.

The net of the story was boring -- the flight now had I space, so they had me re-apply the GPU using the online tool and then proactively deleted the E class segment from the PNR on both sides. It was a little alarming how tied to the system the GPU process is though; my guess is that only if the GPU goes through the website does LH get paid. I don't know what would have happened if I space were not available.


Watch your PNRs!
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Old Aug 10, 2018, 8:43 pm
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I'm flying FRA-JNB on LH on united stock. It looks like my GPU will be waitlists. Once UA changes my flight to a LH flight number will I be able to pick my seat?
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Old Aug 10, 2018, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by mike2003242
I'm flying FRA-JNB on LH on united stock. It looks like my GPU will be waitlists. Once UA changes my flight to a LH flight number will I be able to pick my seat?
You cannot pick a seat in C if your GPU to C is waitlisted.

The last time I flew FRA-JNB, LH was selling cash upgrades at the gate. €199 from Y to E; €499 from Y to C. Not guaranteed that they’ll offer cash upgrades on your flight.
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Old Aug 10, 2018, 9:36 pm
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I understand I cant pick my C seat but can I pick a Y seat. Codeshare flights you cant pick any seat
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Old Aug 10, 2018, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by mike2003242
I understand I cant pick my C seat but can I pick a Y seat. Codeshare flights you cant pick any seat
If converted from codeshare, still an issue as No Advance LH Discount Economy seat selection & other seating issues w/ UA Tkts (016)
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Old Aug 11, 2018, 9:25 am
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Quick question - I upgraded my LH segment (BAH - FRA) next week from Business to First -- everything looks ok but the reservation on UA.com says to call to have the ticket reissued.... So I call in and the agent says that she isn't going to touch it because if she does I will lose my upgrade on LH.. Tomorrow I have a flight from DXB to BAH on Gulf Air (on the same UA ticket) - am I ok to trust the agent or should I call back?

Thanks - I tried to search the thread but didn't see any advice on tickets that got our of sync like this with a segment before the upgraded one....
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Old Aug 11, 2018, 9:32 am
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Just a random data point -

I had a GPU applied to a LH flight on a LATAM(!) ticket through UA's online system. Upon cancelling the itinerary, the GPU never returned and seems to be in some sort of untraceable purgatory.

I've let this go since I received an unexpected GPU deposit months earlier for some weird IRROPs, but something to be wary of when on [very] odd ticket stock.
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Old Aug 11, 2018, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by Supima
Quick question - I upgraded my LH segment (BAH - FRA) next week from Business to First -- everything looks ok but the reservation on UA.com says to call to have the ticket reissued.... So I call in and the agent says that she isn't going to touch it because if she does I will lose my upgrade on LH.. Tomorrow I have a flight from DXB to BAH on Gulf Air (on the same UA ticket) - am I ok to trust the agent or should I call back?

Thanks - I tried to search the thread but didn't see any advice on tickets that got our of sync like this with a segment before the upgraded one....
As long as this shows correctly on lufthansa.com there is IMO and IME nothing to worry about. LH should show the F segment and no longer the C segment. If that all looks legit it should be all good.
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Old Aug 11, 2018, 10:15 am
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As long as this shows correctly on lufthansa.com there is IMO and IME nothing to worry about. LH should show the F segment and no longer the C segment. If that all looks legit it should be all good.
Everything looks fine on LH - it's just this note on UA site for my master reservation that worries me - and have a Gulf Air flight tomorrow afternoon... This note showed up after I upgraded my LH flight....

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Old Aug 11, 2018, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by Supima
Everything looks fine on LH - it's just this note on UA site for my master reservation that worries me - and have a Gulf Air flight tomorrow afternoon... This note showed up after I upgraded my LH flight....
Does the Gulf Air (GF) flight look OK on their site?

The only coupon that should be out of sync would be the one for the LH flight, which LH will correct and re-sync at some point, likely prior to check-in (at which point, this message will disappear). The coupon for the GF flight should be still open. Until the ticket is reissued, the old ticket is still valid for travel.

If we still had access to the Saudia site, we could tell for sure. Alas...
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