Premium Plus (Premium Economy) seats and Experience
#1351
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Programs: AS 75K, DL Silver, UA Platinum, Hilton Gold, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Platinum + LT Gold
Posts: 10,515
Trying to gauge whether I should bust out more miles for Polaris seats for my family on a trip to Europe vs Prem Econ. Can you get a decent 40 winks in the PP seats on an 8 hour leg or does the lie flat really stand out above and beyond? We are mostly short haul domestic family, but the last longer haul we had was HNL to DEN in Y and I remember being dead to the world when we got into DEN because I didn't sleep at all.
As far as PP vs. Polaris seats, depends. How well do normally sleep sitting relatively upright? Personally I don't sleep well in a horizontal position anyway, especially with the narrow Polaris seats.
Polaris lie flat is obviously better, but what's the incremental cost you are looking at? What period are you flying? What's your status currently, as in the likelihood of upgrades in the first place? It's not an one-size-fits-all response.
#1353
Join Date: Jul 2022
Posts: 10
Trying to gauge whether I should bust out more miles for Polaris seats for my family on a trip to Europe vs Prem Econ. Can you get a decent 40 winks in the PP seats on an 8 hour leg or does the lie flat really stand out above and beyond? We are mostly short haul domestic family, but the last longer haul we had was HNL to DEN in Y and I remember being dead to the world when we got into DEN because I didn't sleep at all.
#1354
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Dulles, VA
Programs: UA Life Gold, Marriott Life Titanium
Posts: 2,757
I booked a flight yesterday and for upgrades from Y, there are 3 choices. One, 35K miles from Y to PE. Two, 35K miles plus $600 from Y to Polaris. Three, 35K miles plus $600 to either PE or Polaris. I assume on three that if you get PE, it's just the miles that get deducted and if you go to Polaris is miles and money.
#1355
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Dulles, VA
Programs: UA Life Gold, Marriott Life Titanium
Posts: 2,757
On the 787-9, is the bulkhead in PE still a good bet for extra legroom, or is that just on the 777? All three rows of the middle three seats are wide open right now and I'm debating 20-F or 22-F.
#1356
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1/2 way between FNT,DTW
Programs: DL Plat, US Gold
Posts: 711
Advantages over E+ include
a wider seat, but not as wide as most domestic F
A premium meal service
2 bags
a footrest
a wider screen TV
Premier access
Greater legroom and recline
If it were my parents I would do it for that price. Buying 3 E+ seats is not as appealing to me. YMMV
a wider seat, but not as wide as most domestic F
A premium meal service
2 bags
a footrest
a wider screen TV
Premier access
Greater legroom and recline
If it were my parents I would do it for that price. Buying 3 E+ seats is not as appealing to me. YMMV
#1357
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 84
Trying to gauge whether I should bust out more miles for Polaris seats for my family on a trip to Europe vs Prem Econ. Can you get a decent 40 winks in the PP seats on an 8 hour leg or does the lie flat really stand out above and beyond? We are mostly short haul domestic family, but the last longer haul we had was HNL to DEN in Y and I remember being dead to the world when we got into DEN because I didn't sleep at all.
#1358
Used to be MBS PremExec
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Saginaw, MI (MBS)
Programs: UA 1K 1.9MM, Marriott Titanium w/Lifetime Plat, Hilton LIfetime ♢, National Exec, Amex Plat
Posts: 5,722
I'm a pretty big guy, very broad shoulders and too big a belly. Regular Y is not comfortable for me under most circumstances.
Not long after the introduction of PP, I booked a RT to Asia in PP, applying upgrades in both directions. My flight home cleared, but my outbound never did. I spent 15+ hours in PP from EWR-PVG. I found the whole experience very positive. While I don't sleep well unless I'm completely flat, the PP seat, while it had less padding seemed 'deeper' to me than your typical domestic F seat. It was wide enough where I wasn't intruding into my neighbor's space, I was able to wedge myself comfortably enough using the leg rest and as much recline as possible to get a few hours of shut-eye. (An Ambien may have also contributed). Honestly, if I could have a PP seat the rest of my life on all flights, I think I'd be pretty happy. Then again, I might be easy to please, as I'm the guy with over 700 lifetime segments on the CRJ-200.
And while some time has passed, I was especially surprised by the Thai noodle bowl being served to me in PP, which is my favorite J meal of all time on any carrier. Seems as if ALL food on UA has taken a downturn since. (I have not flown internationally nor been in P+ since that trip).
Not long after the introduction of PP, I booked a RT to Asia in PP, applying upgrades in both directions. My flight home cleared, but my outbound never did. I spent 15+ hours in PP from EWR-PVG. I found the whole experience very positive. While I don't sleep well unless I'm completely flat, the PP seat, while it had less padding seemed 'deeper' to me than your typical domestic F seat. It was wide enough where I wasn't intruding into my neighbor's space, I was able to wedge myself comfortably enough using the leg rest and as much recline as possible to get a few hours of shut-eye. (An Ambien may have also contributed). Honestly, if I could have a PP seat the rest of my life on all flights, I think I'd be pretty happy. Then again, I might be easy to please, as I'm the guy with over 700 lifetime segments on the CRJ-200.
And while some time has passed, I was especially surprised by the Thai noodle bowl being served to me in PP, which is my favorite J meal of all time on any carrier. Seems as if ALL food on UA has taken a downturn since. (I have not flown internationally nor been in P+ since that trip).
#1359
formerly 1984SW
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Merida, Yucatan, Mexico
Programs: UA
Posts: 1,058
I've tried rationalizing booking Premium Plus by thinking: "In the 1960s folks traveled around the world in Pan Am First Class – in recliners on 707s." Then, I thought again and further rationalized that Business Class isn't *that* much more expensive. 😁
(I have yet to travel in Premium Plus or any carrier's Premium Economy.)
(I have yet to travel in Premium Plus or any carrier's Premium Economy.)
#1360
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: EWR
Programs: UA 1.65M , Platinum, 1K Emeritus, UC Lifetime , HHonors Gold, Presidential Plus card holder
Posts: 697
I rationalize it as a fail-safe (but not guaranteed) route to Business Class with Plus Points and a downside of being in a Premium seat. 2 for 2 on upgrades so far (1 TATL and 1 TCTL).
#1361
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: INN
Posts: 2,914
Yep. I find PP perfectly fine for day flights, unlike Economy where I really suffer with the width of my shoulders and length of my legs after the first hour or so. For night flight it means I can't really sleep but at best nap a bit. An Ex-Europe the differences between PP and Business fares can be huge. E.h. for a trip I'm planning right now I'm looking at 1200ish EURs for 3500ish EUR.
#1362
Used to be MBS PremExec
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Saginaw, MI (MBS)
Programs: UA 1K 1.9MM, Marriott Titanium w/Lifetime Plat, Hilton LIfetime ♢, National Exec, Amex Plat
Posts: 5,722
I'm a pretty big guy, very broad shoulders and too big a belly. Regular Y is not comfortable for me under most circumstances.
Not long after the introduction of PP, I booked a RT to Asia in PP, applying upgrades in both directions. My flight home cleared, but my outbound never did. I spent 15+ hours in PP from EWR-PVG. I found the whole experience very positive. While I don't sleep well unless I'm completely flat, the PP seat, while it had less padding seemed 'deeper' to me than your typical domestic F seat. It was wide enough where I wasn't intruding into my neighbor's space, I was able to wedge myself comfortably enough using the leg rest and as much recline as possible to get a few hours of shut-eye. (An Ambien may have also contributed). Honestly, if I could have a PP seat the rest of my life on all flights, I think I'd be pretty happy. Then again, I might be easy to please, as I'm the guy with over 700 lifetime segments on the CRJ-200.
And while some time has passed, I was especially surprised by the Thai noodle bowl being served to me in PP, which is my favorite J meal of all time on any carrier. Seems as if ALL food on UA has taken a downturn since. (I have not flown internationally nor been in P+ since that trip).
Not long after the introduction of PP, I booked a RT to Asia in PP, applying upgrades in both directions. My flight home cleared, but my outbound never did. I spent 15+ hours in PP from EWR-PVG. I found the whole experience very positive. While I don't sleep well unless I'm completely flat, the PP seat, while it had less padding seemed 'deeper' to me than your typical domestic F seat. It was wide enough where I wasn't intruding into my neighbor's space, I was able to wedge myself comfortably enough using the leg rest and as much recline as possible to get a few hours of shut-eye. (An Ambien may have also contributed). Honestly, if I could have a PP seat the rest of my life on all flights, I think I'd be pretty happy. Then again, I might be easy to please, as I'm the guy with over 700 lifetime segments on the CRJ-200.
And while some time has passed, I was especially surprised by the Thai noodle bowl being served to me in PP, which is my favorite J meal of all time on any carrier. Seems as if ALL food on UA has taken a downturn since. (I have not flown internationally nor been in P+ since that trip).
I think PP is doing well for UA, while my experiences are surely anecdotal, it seems to go out full very often--I wish they'd expand the cabin--as reported up above, PP was at one point (and may still be) the highest revenue per square foot on their aircraft. Sponsored some friends from a cheap-ish Y fare on a TATL recently. They had NO SHOT at PP, and eventually cleared into Polaris. Their return flight home is a few days away, they cleared right into Polaris shortly after booking and still shows J9...P9. PP has had all seats assigned for a few weeks now. (They are still selling PP, but I think overbooking so they can op-up people into the several-remaining J seats).
Again, it's a great consolation prize to me if upgrades fail. Before PP, I'd NEVER chance waitlisting an international upgrade. But now I book PP with confidence and know I've at least got a decent seat if my upgrade doesn't clear. Here's hoping thinner 1K/GS numbers going forward and the eventual expiration of the glut of PlusPoints out there makes upgrades easier going forward. I mean, PP is great an all, but of course it doesn't compare to Polaris!
Last edited by MBS MillionMiler; Jan 12, 2023 at 8:53 pm
#1363
I flew ORD-HNL in PP today (died at #1 on the upgrade list ) and was very happy with it.
I worked most of the flight and was comfortable throughout. Food options were both breakfast (egg dish or French toast) and pre arrival meal (burger or soba salad). A few of the FAs were especially nice, not sure if they were looking out for me as a 1K or not, but I was very pleased with the flight.
I’d have no issues booking again on a daytime flight.
I worked most of the flight and was comfortable throughout. Food options were both breakfast (egg dish or French toast) and pre arrival meal (burger or soba salad). A few of the FAs were especially nice, not sure if they were looking out for me as a 1K or not, but I was very pleased with the flight.
I’d have no issues booking again on a daytime flight.
#1365
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sydney,Australia
Programs: UA 1K, QF Gold
Posts: 1,141